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PostPosted: 07:57 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: More child groomng scandles in Oxford Reply with quote

So it turns out there is another child sex ring, this time in leafy posh Oxford.

Again it's run by Pakistani men and again it involves vulnerable white girls.

Now I don't know who I'm more angry with, the group that did it or the authorities that seemingly turned a blind eye/ignored it.

An interesting article from stand point magazine on grooming

https://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/3576/full

One thing that caught my eye from it though

Unfortunately, the reluctance of the various anti-child abuse campaigns and charities to engage openly with the fact that, in the north of England, the majority of men involved in child-grooming criminal gangs are Pakistani Muslim means that racist organisations such as the BNP hijack the issue.

"The fact that these particular gangs are made up of Pakistani men is significant but not in the way racists would have us believe," says one child protection expert who asked not to be named. "While the BNP would have us believe that abusing white girls is an endemic part of these men's culture — which it absolutely is not — the truth is that these men are aware that the police do not want to be accused of racism in today's climate."


I'm not sure I agree with that. You have to have a mind set that allows you to do this. If I wanted to groom girls, I certainly couldn't go to my brother or friends and say lets start a sex grooming ring, they'd dob me in to the police. Yet these abuser groups seem to made up of brothers and close friends.

I do like the idea that people will be made accountable if they do not protect children - social services, police etc. but I wonder if it will mean people will not go into those jobs for fear of jail if they genuinly miss something that comes to light later.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: More child groomng scandles in Oxford Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Flabby old tree hugging boiler Rachel Loise wrote:
abusing white girls is [absolutely not] an endemic part of these men's culture

I get that she's saying that we shouldn't assume guilt until innocence is proven, but Rachel Loise isn't a pretty young girl and it's not going to be an issue for her.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

From 2003.


Kath Tunstall of Bradford Social Services said:

"As far as the police and social services are concerned this is a child protection matter, they say race is not an issue. Yet... most schoolgirls in the town will tell you that cars full of Asian men waiting at the school gates have become just another fact of school life."


On 27 August 2004, the BBC web site reported thus:

"A documentary which police feared could incite racial violence was broadcast by Channel 4 on Thursday. Edge of the City was originally due to be aired on on 20 May, but was withdrawn hours before transmission. It featured claims that Asian men in Bradford groomed white girls as young as 11 for sex and drug abuse...

The documentary was initially postponed on the advice of West Yorkshire Police, who said they were concerned it could lead to inter-racial violence in the city...

A spokesman for West Yorkshire Police said there was 'never an issue of censorship'. He added: 'West Yorkshire Police had concerns regarding the timing of the broadcast in relation to a number of factors, including the European and local elections. We never had any intention of preventing it from being shown at some stage'...

In a joint statement, West Yorkshire Police and Bradford Council said they had spent the past two years investigating the allegations, but had found 'no evidence of systematic exploitation."
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, in this instance I don't think it's just a biased media or whatever, it really is mostly Asian guys. They come to a new country, or are second/third generation who have a close-knit family linking them back to another culture. Then they see the pretty little white girls as something to go for.

I see a similar(ish) version of it in China (and anywhere in Asia really). Westerners coming over for the seemingly easier pickings of females. Ok it's less sinister than the child grooming etc, but still it's a case of outsiders coming and having very different and sometimes appalling sexual interests, which most locals really aren't happy with.

Conclusion: Child grooming gangs in the UK are often (or always?) Asian guys. It is one good argument for tighter immigration controls. Or at least is a good argument for the whole 'good British culture is being messed up by immigration' thing.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1971 when i was 6 my teacher brushed my hair because I was about to have my school photograph taken and being the 70s my hair was long and unruly.

I didn't know about this grooming thing back then, it's only really been talked about these last few years. Should I seek a prosecution, she did hurt me a bit pulling out the tangles and I think she told me to stop being a big jessie?
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's Swampy when you want him to justify that it isn't racist abuse
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Where's Swampy when you want him to justify that it isn't racist abuse


Give us a chance, I've just got in from a run Wink

I don't think its racist abuse. I don't deny that vulnerable girls are being abused by groups of muslim men.

I do think that extrapolting from that the opinion that all muslims are child abusers is wrong. I don't agree its necessarily a cultural thing.

I've said before that I think that 'rings' of abusers are frequently tied by a commonality whether that be culture or religion (muslims in this case, or the Catholic church in others), fame (any 70s TV star it would seem), politics (as I'm pretty sure will emerge over the next few years) or being scout group leaders. Down our way recently there was a group of abusers whose commonality was that they all worked in nurseries FFS ans some of them were women....

I do think its wrong to demonise one whole culture for the actions of a few regardless of how scandalous or sick those actions may be, but I'm just some wet leftie whose probably not gonna change anyones mind Wink

EDIT: I will note though that the article in the link Polarbear gave is about muslim men on trial in 2010 in Rotherham for child abuse. I thought we were all up in arms that muslims were getting away with this scott free, when clearly this was not the case 5 years ago.

I do agree with the tone of that article too, and it seems to echo what I've written above (and in previous threads on this subject).
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

swampy wrote:
I do think its wrong to demonise one whole culture for the actions of a few regardless of how scandalous or sick those actions may be.


But it does save an awful lot of time.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 06 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Brit peados just go to Thailand.
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PostPosted: 07:29 - 06 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
White Brit peados just go to Thailand.


Unless they are in government, then they just 'lose' any evidence Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 06 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

swampy wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Where's Swampy when you want him to justify that it isn't racist abuse


Give us a chance, I've just got in from a run Wink

I don't think its racist abuse. I don't deny that vulnerable girls are being abused by groups of muslim men.

I do think that extrapolting from that the opinion that all muslims are child abusers is wrong. I don't agree its necessarily a cultural thing.

I've said before that I think that 'rings' of abusers are frequently tied by a commonality whether that be culture or religion (muslims in this case, or the Catholic church in others), fame (any 70s TV star it would seem), politics (as I'm pretty sure will emerge over the next few years) or being scout group leaders. Down our way recently there was a group of abusers whose commonality was that they all worked in nurseries FFS ans some of them were women....

I do think its wrong to demonise one whole culture for the actions of a few regardless of how scandalous or sick those actions may be, but I'm just some wet leftie whose probably not gonna change anyones mind Wink

EDIT: I will note though that the article in the link Polarbear gave is about muslim men on trial in 2010 in Rotherham for child abuse. I thought we were all up in arms that muslims were getting away with this scott free, when clearly this was not the case 5 years ago.

I do agree with the tone of that article too, and it seems to echo what I've written above (and in previous threads on this subject).


I don't think it is anything to do with being Muslim or not but cultural? Well all the major sex grooming rings that have come to light have been orchestrated by people from a specific ethnic background. If it wasn't cultural would you not statistically expect them all to be whites of British descent as they are 70% of the population.

Of course there are paedos in every culture as well as very nasty people who think nothing of selling young girls for sex, trafficking them across continents and selling them into slavery but this specific type of crime seems to be the prerogitive of that ethnic group.

Found the below statistics which includes gang abuse as well as group abuse.....

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) publishes more specific data on group-related grooming, although unlike the OCC report it’s based only on police data. According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups:

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.
24% of group-members were under 20, and 53% were between 20 and 30.
67% of the groups were of four or fewer men.
These cases had 144 identified victims, for whom ethnicity and age information was recorded:

97% were categorised as white.
3% of victims were aged 12 to 13, 57% were 14 to 15, and 40% were 16 to 17.
“Over half” of the victims were in local authority care.
Of the 118 victims with a recorded gender, all were girls.

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