DfT admit that the 3DLD is killing yoofs!

[Rogerborg]

Well, not in so many words, but tucked away in their new consultation on the CBT, we find:

"very few [young riders] go on to take a motorcycle test, a situation that may be an unintended consequence of the 3rd Directive which limits the size and power of machines that younger riders can ride."

Very true, but it's surprising to see it pointed out so clearly.

Their big issue seems to be that first time CBT-ers assume that it's a simple 1 day course, with 2 hours of road riding (less fag breaks). DfT's position is that it should be as long as needed, with 2 hours minimum on the road, potentially much longer for first timers.

There's also an admission that the current situation of doing theory only just prior to the tests (that they don't take) is bass ackwards, and that this might not always be the case:

"Trainees do not have to pass the full theory test before undertaking CBT. We are not currently proposing to mandate trainees to do so, as this would require amendments to regulations. This may, however, be something we consider in the long term."

Other suggestions are letting repeat CBTers skip the talky bits and just do the road ride again. However, there's also a suggestion to reduce repeat CBT durations to 1 year to try and push eternaLearners into doing their tests.

Oh, and they've sneaked in a bit about post-CBT training and tests, and a possible training rather than test route to upgrade A1 -> A2 -> A licenses.

Worth a read if you're interested, just to see that the DfT does think about bike training and licensing, and they can be fairly common sensical until the Sir Humphreys get involved.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/409614/CBT_Consultation_Paper__F_.pdf
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[Polarbear]

When CBT came out, didn't they say after 2 years if you didn't pass test you couldn't go for a repeat CBT for another year?

Sounds like a scenario they might reintroduce that which will piss off a lot of women on their scooters.
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[Polarbear]

[N cee thirty]

it won't change unless the EU says so, just committee after committee of public sector plebs raking in cash
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[Skudd]

When car learners have to jump through the actual once passed and got a vehicle tests that today's bike riders need to then there may be a few people miffed. Imagine only being able to drive a Chinco Chenco (sp) when you pass your car test and have to wait 2 years before going on to a Corsa.

It does seem odd when I look through this forum and see 22-26yr old on 125 machines. That was for 17yr old in the day. At 19-20 you had the world at your feet.

World seems so complicated these days just for basic stuff. Even payng your phone bill on the phone. I hate it.
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[Rogerborg]

[N cee thirty]

[Rogerborg]

[dydey90]

[Rogerborg]

You'll still have to upgrade, that's EU mandated.

The remote possibility is that they may consider a training route as well as / instead of a pass/fail test.

As in, pay a training school money, instructor takes you out for some fag breaks and chats about Superdreams interspersed with occasional riding, then says "Yeah, is good enough, give license."

Going from A2 to A I'd just DIY the tests, "unrestricting" a suitable bike in the test centre car park.
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[Val]

[Kickstart]

Hi

CBT replaced the old system where you just got on your bike and rode it (I had been riding a few weeks on the road before any training, and rode about 10 miles to the training place).

CBT is far from perfect but is avoids a bureaucratic nightmare.

All the best

K
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[Rogerborg]

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[yen_powell]

[stevo as b4]

I more than see the logic of those that say CBT is outdated and a waste of time, and does not really achieve anything too. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one responsible for axing it completely for the reason Roger stated.

But I would say the following is reasonable.

CBT +basic theory test= a 1year window to ride a learner machine or 49cc or 124cc, but with the option after of no formal test training, just a new theory and practical test for an A, A1, A2 license. Of course if the candidate feels they would benefit from lessons before hand this would be possible.

Go past 1year on CBT and then have to take a 1year break before you can apply/take another CBT. This would be ok for the 12monther's waiting to get into a car, and it would spur on all the CBT hanger's on that should have taken a test years ago and proudly binned the L-plates.

The laws surrounding moped licences, light motorcycle licenses, and the age limit for A1 and A2 and DAS is another thing altogether.

But it is my opinion that taking 3tests to get as fully licensed as possible for a young newbie, to go from ped to superbike is excessive. And the 47bhp restricted license with strict stipulations is both a waste of time and a cash boost for Manufacturers to make new machinery to suit. And finally so is the forced test stipulation for DAS that the bike has to be a certain cc, power output, and probably even power to weight ratio.

What next, will everyone have to take tests on a high viz coloured motorcycle with chevrons on a big square board front and back?