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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Get spazzed while committing a crime, still get payout Reply with quote

Good news, reefer fiends!

If you get potatoed as a passenger (i.e. 3rd party) while dealing, the insurance exemption for being in a vehicle being used to commit a crime does not apply!

Better yet, it's not even the insurer that has to pay for your whole life care, it's the State, i.e. taxpayers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11459113/Drug-dealer-wins-government-compensation-battle-after-road-crash.html

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A firefighter found a package of cannabis hidden in Pickett's sock"

Seems entirely reasonable for fire fighters to be checking inside peoples socks. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
"A firefighter found a package of cannabis hidden in Pickett's sock"

Seems entirely reasonable for fire fighters to be checking inside peoples socks. Laughing

May have been sticking pins in his feet to see if he could feel it
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
"A firefighter found a package of cannabis hidden in Pickett's sock"

Seems entirely reasonable for fire fighters to be checking inside peoples socks. Laughing


It is if his feet were on fire.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

well he had a couple of grams in his sock, I doubt he was dealing
his mate on the other hand is a dick for driving like a loony with 2 1/2Kg shoved up his jumper and smashing the car
thats one sure way to get caught Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

His bar was 12g, he shouldn't go back to that dealer. Razz
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
well he had a couple of grams in his sock, I doubt he was dealing


Probably off down the park for a kickabout:


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A football-sized block of cannabis fell out of Sean Delaney's jacket


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Department for Transport ordered to pay Sean Delaney
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened at the school my daughter used to attend. No verdict published yet but the sheer audacity of the little shite in suing the Council makes me want to kick him in the head.

Known scumbag falls through roof while breaking into school, smashes own skull, cries to mummy, then sues school....pfft!

Should have been laughed out of court.

And another thing, it cost us £10,000 to fix him, which is a lot of vinegar and brown paper when you think about it.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 10 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to defend the chap, but he wasn't convicted of a crime at all.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different sources are giving quite a bit more/less information than others Thinking From what i've gathered though...

Pickett - driver - small bit of weed in his sock. Convicted of dangerous driving and possession of cannabis. 10 month sentence.

Delaney - passenger - lots of weed in his jacket. Seriously injured. No charges.

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The exception bans compensation being paid to those who ‘knew or ought to have known’ that a vehicle in which they are travelling is being used ‘in the course or furtherance of a crime’.
No one was convicted of drug dealing? Pickett was convicted of possession (with intent to supply?) and dangerous driving. Delaney got charged with nothing and 'as a result' of Pickets charged 'dangerous driving'; seriouly injured.

Attempted to sue him first apparently, but it was thrown out - for some reason?

So as it reads; Delaneys case was rejected on the basis he was involved ''in the course or furtherance of a crime'' that was; dangerous driving, or possession of cannabis? How is someone elses possession (and charge for) a small amount of cannabis considered furtherance of a crime? Or did the courts just drop delaneys prosecution for drug-dealing based on his injuries and situation?

Essentially if i get in a car with someone that suddenly crashes into a wall, who happens to have a spliff in their pocket - I should of ''knew or ought to of known'' it would happen Shocked? I may well of missed something; but thats what i've gathered after a brief read Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Largely moot now that the get-out has been sort-of stricken.

Oh, in other news, the UK requirement to only have insurance for use in public places is now inadequate, due to some Elbonian mud raker being spazzed by a tractor and taking it to Strasbourg.

Expect a change in the law eventually, and a concurrent rise in premiums. The whole issue of having vehicles SORNed and uninsured at all might be put into play.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Largely moot now that the get-out has been sort-of stricken.

Oh, in other news, the UK requirement to only have insurance for use in public places is now inadequate, due to some Elbonian mud raker being spazzed by a tractor and taking it to Strasbourg.

Expect a change in the law eventually, and a concurrent rise in premiums. The whole issue of having vehicles SORNed and uninsured at all might be put into play.


Do you have a citation for that? It's relevant to my interests.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11008809/Gardeners-with-sit-on-lawnmowers-face-buying-motor-insurance.html
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So from that Telegraph article, they believe it will cost £100 per year to insure a ride-on lawnmower that never leaves you property for 3rd party risks.

That suggests that ride-on lawnmowers are more likely to be involved in accidents than my kitten-killing bike. Is this some national scandal that the newspapers are covering up? Are the summer afternoons in affluent areas (where you'll have a big enough lawn to need one of those machines) punctuated by the sound of screams of poor innocents being maimed by maniacal lawn mower riders? Something must done to protect us from this danger! Won't someone /please/ think of the children?
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
Do you have a citation for that? It's relevant to my interests.

Verdict came in, insurance has to cover off road use.

https://www.newlawjournal.co.uk/nlj/content/motor-insurance-impact-vnuk

My pondering is that if vehicles have to be insured for off road use, then will continuous insurance mean exactly that, with no SORN loophole?
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Vracktal wrote:
Do you have a citation for that? It's relevant to my interests.

Verdict came in, insurance has to cover off road use.

https://www.newlawjournal.co.uk/nlj/content/motor-insurance-impact-vnuk

My pondering is that if vehicles have to be insured for off road use, then will continuous insurance mean exactly that, with no SORN loophole?


Hope not or I'm going to have to seriously reconsider the bike projects I have planned. Can't afford to insure 4 bikes. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
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That suggests that ride-on lawnmow
Something must done to protect us from this danger!
Won't someone /please/ think of the children?


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Despite current prevention efforts, approximately 9,400 children younger than 18 years continue to receive emergency care for lawn mower-related injuries each year in the United States.


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RoSPA’s top ten list of most dangerous garden tools is:

1. Lawnmowers (6,500 accidents in the UK each year)

2. Flowerpots (5,300)

3. Secateurs and pruners (4,400)

4. Spades (3,600)

5. Electric hedgetrimmers (3,100)

6. Plant tubs and troughs (2,800)

7. Shears (2,100)

8. Garden forks (2,000)

9. Hoses and sprinklers (1,900)

10. Garden canes and sticks (1,800).


Yep, far more dangerous than your average bike...... Given that lawn cutting season is even shorter than the biking one Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No ladders?

Confused
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J0 wrote:
No ladders?

Confused

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PostPosted: 12:57 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
This happened at the school my daughter used to attend. No verdict published yet but the sheer audacity of the little shite in suing the Council makes me want to kick him in the head.

Known scumbag falls through roof while breaking into school, smashes own skull, cries to mummy, then sues school....pfft!

Should have been laughed out of court.

And another thing, it cost us £10,000 to fix him, which is a lot of vinegar and brown paper when you think about it.


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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:22 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paid out of their benefits at £2 a week forever.

Only the lawyers win. Sad
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


It is if his feet were on fire.


Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If vehicles have to be covered for private usage, I can see the cost of insurance going through the roof for any sports bike.

It won't be a difficult connection to make that sports bikes often get used on trackdays, thus, must be covered for 3rd party risks on a track too.
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