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PostPosted: 19:56 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: UKIP plans to introduce paid parking and front plates for MC Reply with quote

OMG UKIP is planing for all of us to have:

"provision of reasonably priced motorcycle parking bays"

and

"UK Independence would consult on the feasibility of new build motorcycles carrying identification front as well as rear to aid identification and deter speed abuse and from an additional noise control."

https://www.ridersarevoters.org/manifesto/ukips-official-response/

Obviously they are concerned that we may ride too fast and too loud.

Do you feel you need that extra help?
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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with the number of motorcycle fatalities – 569 in 2005,


10 year old stats?

Also I thought front number plates were removed to stop us slicing kittens in half as we ride around at 9000 mph...
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKIP Might get some power so have to come up with policies for all sorts of everyday stuff in a relatively short period of time.

Thank fuck they won't actually get into a position of proper power.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not concerned about number plates, however I'm more than happy to pay for parking if that means actually having more than 1 secure parking bay in the Town Centre.
Car drivers pay up, we are not Special Snowflakes.

At present we risk fines if parking where we like (not counting parking where cars do, as there is rarely somewhere to chain to, therefore unsecure)
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
I'm not concerned about number plates, however I'm more than happy to pay for parking if that means actually having more than 1 secure parking bay in the Town Centre.
Car drivers pay up, we are not Special Snowflakes.

At present we risk fines if parking where we like (not counting parking where cars do, as there is rarely somewhere to chain to, therefore unsecure)


Actually motorcycles are special snowflakes. They're a sixth the size of the average car and they can fit in spaces a car can't.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that settles it. It's not the pretty prevalent racism and homophobia were worried about its that we might have to pay for parking....
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKIP just want to return motorcycling to its golden age. Within a year after they gain power they would have the law changed as follows:-

Helmets have to be open faced, white, cork lined and with a peak.

Only waxed cotton will be BS approved. CE approvers told to fuck off.

A ban on electric starters unless you have a note from the doctor.

Girlies banned from riding pillion without a protective beehive.

Oil tight engines will fail the MOT.

Anyone spotted wearing a parker to be given a damned good thrashing.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:
I'm not concerned about number plates, however I'm more than happy to pay for parking if that means actually having more than 1 secure parking bay in the Town Centre.
Car drivers pay up, we are not Special Snowflakes.

At present we risk fines if parking where we like (not counting parking where cars do, as there is rarely somewhere to chain to, therefore unsecure)


Actually motorcycles are special snowflakes. They're a sixth the size of the average car and they can fit in spaces a car can't.


I'm not sure I understand, are you implying we shouldn't have to pay directly for the security and maintenance that secure parking bays require?

Who should pay? General Taxation hardly seems fair.

You are correct though, our vehicles do require a sixth of the footprint of the average car, so should cost significantly less to build/maintain.

It does amuse me that we (bikers) happily risk life and limb from nobheads trying to wipe us out, yet fear paying the cost of a few of miles on the average 600 for convenience and peace of mind whilst parking. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:

I'm not sure I understand, are you implying we shouldn't have to pay directly for the security and maintenance that secure parking bays require?

Who should pay? General Taxation hardly seems fair.

You are correct though, our vehicles do require a sixth of the footprint of the average car, so should cost significantly less to build/maintain.


Really? I'm not sure about you but the road fund licence for my little beast with it's tiny engine costs an effing sight more than your average cage - I reckon I've paid for parking privileges for at least the next ten years.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:

I'm not sure I understand, are you implying we shouldn't have to pay directly for the security and maintenance that secure parking bays require?

Who should pay? General Taxation hardly seems fair.

You are correct though, our vehicles do require a sixth of the footprint of the average car, so should cost significantly less to build/maintain.


Really? I'm not sure about you but the road fund licence for my little beast with it's tiny engine costs an effing sight more than your average cage - I reckon I've paid for parking privileges for at least the next ten years.


Eh?
Forgoing the eternal arguement of what VED should be/is used for...
I'm not sure what your ride is, but my VED is like £50, closer to £15 for the CG.
Most Cagers I know say they pay north of £100 (and still have to pay for parking on top)

Does VED skyrocket above 500cc? Question
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:

I'm not sure what your ride is, but my VED is like £50, closer to £15 for the CG.
Most Cagers I know say they pay north of £100

Does VED skyrocket above 500cc? Question


50 quid Rolling Eyes You mean £58 which is bad enough. I get clocked for £44 for six months or £80 if I'm feeling flush on renewal day - But many cars, especially new ones, are tax free. Under emissions band D and it's £30 or less.
Regardless of whether I'm spitting out more nasties than the next bloke, my two wheels are more often utilising a section of the road that only really ever sees two wheeled traffic, rather than adding to the twin ruts adorning many of our roads nowadays.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
UKIP Might get some power so have to come up with policies for all sorts of everyday stuff in a relatively short period of time.
Thank fuck they won't actually get into a position of proper power.

If the Tories and Red Tories can't form a majority government they just might have more influence than you think.
Watch this space as the positive face of the BNF/EDL may affect us all more than you realise.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:

I'm not sure what your ride is, but my VED is like £50, closer to £15 for the CG.
Most Cagers I know say they pay north of £100

Does VED skyrocket above 500cc? Question


50 quid Rolling Eyes You mean £58 which is bad enough. I get clocked for £44 for six months or £80 if I'm feeling flush on renewal day - But many cars, especially new ones, are tax free. Under emissions band D and it's £30 or less.
Regardless of whether I'm spitting out more nasties than the next bloke, my two wheels are more often utilising a section of the road that only really ever sees two wheeled traffic, rather than adding to the twin ruts adorning many of our roads nowadays.


So I see...
I'll admit, especially when just paying the frankly insignificant VED of the CG I hadn't looked into the Rates of vehicle Tax.

That being said, it sounds more like your gripe is with the amount of VED/Tax we pay in relation to vehicle rather than if we have to pay for parking?
I wouldn't say that parking bays should come out of general taxation or VED (unless theyre going to stop charging cagers to park?)

Odd that G-Man is still happy to refer to it as "Tax" in an official capacity though. Neutral
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:

Does VED skyrocket above 500cc? Question

No it hits a plateau at 600cc and doesn't get any more expensive regardless of engine size/output.
600cc = £80
2300cc = £80
I think this is a very very reasonable system.


mentalboy wrote:
Really? I'm not sure about you but the road fund licence for my little beast with it's tiny engine costs an effing sight more than your average cage - I reckon I've paid for parking privileges for at least the next ten years.

All due respect mate but you're talking rubbish.
I pay £285 a year for my 2.0 turbo car, £210 for my small car derived 1.5 diesel van,
£30 a year for my wifes 1.2 city car and then £80 for the bike.
So best part of 600 quid a year on RFL alone, never mind maintenance, servicing, MOTS and insurance.
A set of decent tyres for my car starts at 500quid.

My wifes car isn't even as powerful as my lowly ER6 so rightly so it should be cheaper to tax, it also moves 4 people
if necessary which no solo motorcycle can do legally in the UK.

It does make me laugh when I read things like this, the same people wouldn't think twice about blowing
150quid on a new clutch and brake lever because shiny, or hundreds on a fancy exhaust because noisy
noisy vroom vroom or £200 on a set of tyres that might last a summer if you are lucky.

Let's hope future governments keep things as they are because if it goes to emissions based like
cars have been for years now, then it sounds like a lot of you will be back on 125s if you're complaining about an annual £80 fee.
Or worse still.......... Bicycles. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:





It does make me laugh when I read things like this, the same people wouldn't think twice about blowing
150quid on a new clutch and brake lever because shiny, or hundreds on a fancy exhaust because noisy
noisy vroom vroom or £200 on a set of tyres that might last a summer if you are lucky.

Let's hope future governments keep things as they are because if it goes to emissions based like
cars have been for years now, then it sounds like a lot of you will be back on 125s if you're complaining about an annual £80 fee.
Or worse still.......... Bicycles. Laughing


Who was moaning? Mebbe it was a little dramatic to use the words 'average' - which of course your two litre car is Rolling Eyes - but since when did anyone say anything about power? The road fund licence was designed to provide funds for maintaining services for the motorist (not that it ever did) and it is only recently that it has morphed into a pollution tax and I doubt if it's very long before they apply it to bikes.
And apparently my scabby 1100 chucks out 15g/km CO2 which would put it into a non-paying tax band! So not only does it create less CO2 gases it also creates less wear and tear on the roads.

So back on topic: How does one prove one's bought a ticket for a bike when they are so easy to nick? Not everyone carries a phone around with them 24/7 for phone billing methods and machines which you punch your number plate into may be common in larger urban areas but it's rare you see them in the South West.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to Tef out but there's not a quick way to do this.

Car tax has been emissions based for some 15 years now, hardly a recent change.
It came in when the new registration format did and around the same time they (The govt) tried to push the
UK motorist toward diesel because economy and less co2. Laughing

The power/emissions/capacity argument depends very much on what type of vehicle you are discussing.
It's more class based which is why I wouldn't rock the boat as bikes are in a class of their own
and I'd bet the turnover from that class is far far lower than all the others...
There are only 4 different rates for bikes, for cars there are 13 currently .
But plenty more letters left in the alphabet to be used up, Wink .

If they re- think the strategy for bikes then they could decide to charge more because it's red
or a 4 pot or because it has a seat cowl or whatever completely unrelated thing they can think
of to raise more revenue. I think power output will be what they re scale bikes on if they do it.
Because of course we're all out there every weekend doing 275mph through villages of kittens.
It's no more unlikely as them charging some vehicles by engine
size( bikes), weight, (small commercials), emissions (Cars)
amount and weights of axles (HGVs) or amount of seats (coaches/buses)

For instance my van has a 1.5dci engine in it. A widely used engine by Renault found in numerous
cars they produce. Fitted to a Clio, that engine would be graded as a 30 pound annual RFL.
Same engine in my van and I pay over £200.
So cars are taxed by emissions but vans are taxed using a different sliding scale where pollutants seem
less important and weight is the yardstick, despite there being car versions of the exact same vehicle.

Rather than seeing it as a dig at you I was trying to illustrate using a variety of classes of vehicle that
they are making it up as they go along regards pricing strategy and can make it up again any time they feel like it.
And they'll use whatever they feel like to justify the hikes, whether that's top speed, power output,
number of gears or whatever else they fancy.

Ever get the idea that the powers that be haven't got a clue and just want your money?
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