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PostPosted: 14:07 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: the whole system is corrupt, police cover up, MP's the lot Reply with quote

wonder if we will ever get told the truth

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The police watchdog is investigating alleged corruption in the Metropolitan Police, including claims it covered up child sex offences because of the involvement of police officers and MPs.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating 14 referrals spanning four decades.

It said the claims were of "high-level corruption of the most serious nature".

The Met said it had voluntarily referred the allegations, which arose from an investigation launched in 2012.

The allegations have emerged since the Metropolitan Police launched Operation Fairbank into historical child sex abuse claims involving politicians and other public figures.

That investigation has found allegations that previous inquiries into such abuse were hindered or halted, or that evidence was suppressed.
'Grave concern'

Sarah Green, the commission's deputy chairwoman, said: "Allegations of this nature are of grave concern and I would like to reassure people of our absolute commitment to ensuring that the investigations are thorough and robust."

Allegations being investigated as set out by the IPCC include:

A potential cover-up linked to "failures to properly investigate child sex abuse offences in south London and further information about criminal allegations against a politician being dropped"
A claim that an investigation into young men being targeted at the Dolphin Square flats in Pimlico, south-west London, was halted because "officers were too near prominent people"
An allegation that a document from the Houses of Parliament was found at a paedophile's address linking "highly-prominent individuals", including MPs and senior police officers, to a paedophile ring but no further action was taken
Alleged alteration of a child sex abuse victim's account to remove the name of a senior politician
Alleged child sex abuse by a senior politician and a subsequent cover-up of the alleged crimes
Claims that a surveillance operation of a child abuse ring was shut down due to "high-profile people being involved"
An allegation that police officers sexually abused a boy and carried out surveillance on him

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: the whole system is corrupt, police cover up, MP's the l Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
wonder if we will ever get told the truth


Don't waste time wondering the answer is no. At best a sacrificial lamb will be offered, either a long dead one who can't defend himself or someone junior with other skeletons in their closet they wish to hide so will take this fall.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
wonder if we will ever get told the truth
Nope! Mind you when 800,000 people vote on some shite petition over reinstating a double-denim clad motoring buffoon instead of storming Downing St over this kind of thing are you surprised?
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
oldpink wrote:
wonder if we will ever get told the truth
Nope! Mind you when 800,000 people vote on some shite petition over reinstating a double-denim clad motoring buffoon instead of storming Downing St over this kind of thing are you surprised?

You are Chris Moyles and I claim my 5 ponds.
https://i.imgur.com/O7b73px.png

But yeah, I agree with your post.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've managed to cover it up for the last 35 years, at least!
Can't see any reason the establishment will allow anything to change for the next 35 years!
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the BBC is part of the corruption then that news story is part of the conspiracy and so shouldn't be considered to be truthful. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
You are Chris Moyles and I claim my 5 ponds.
https://i.imgur.com/O7b73px.png

Nah that's cycling psychopath Wolf Simpson of https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=290713&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 fame.

Although he is the spit of 'Moyles-y'
https://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Chris-Moyles-letter.png

I on the other hand look like a cross between Dan Aykroyd and Steven Fry but camper and with a fatter face.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
You are Chris Moyles and I claim my 5 ponds.
https://i.imgur.com/O7b73px.png

Nah that's cycling psychopath Wolf Simpson of https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=290713&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 fame.

Although he is the spit of 'Moyles-y'
https://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Chris-Moyles-letter.png

I on the other hand look like a cross between Dan Aykroyd and Steven Fry but camper and with a fatter face.


https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/061/294/1106514-cool_story_bro_super.jpg


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PostPosted: 12:33 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If, and that's a huge if, anything ever comes of this, based on past performance, what's the betting, that even when presented with the facts, all plod and secret plod, involved were looking the other way, had their fingers their ears and know nothing?
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
Mind you when 800,000 people vote on some shite petition over reinstating a double-denim clad motoring buffoon instead of storming Downing St over this kind of thing are you surprised?

Is it Cameron or Osborne that you're accusing of being a kiddy fiddler?
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think that the vast majority of those involved would be long since retired or deceased now. It would be more harmful for the government to interfere at this stage even to push it along than to sit back and let the police do their thing. It's possible an old and bold backbencher may have been involved but chances are nobody at the higher levels of government these days would be incriminated.

Better to wait and see what comes of it rather than try and rabble rouse now, it won't undo what happened and could result in false accusations.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The decision to drop this sordid business I doubt has anything to do with the police, it will have come down from the highest position in government via the Home Secretary. The police would have had no say in the matter and could do nothing but comply.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed Case wrote:
The police would have had no say in the matter and could do nothing but comply.

Constables swear fealty to the Monarch, not the Home Secretary of the minute. They used to bring their own prosecutions before the CPS, and constables (or anyone, in Englandshire) can and occasionally still do bring private prosecutions unto this day.

Only obeying orders is not an excuse for complicity.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Is it Cameron or Osborne that you're accusing of being a kiddy fiddler?

What happens in the Bullingdon club stays in the...

Point taken though, the masses should storm Scotland Yard when they've finished at no. 10. Then Buck Pal after tea.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
Point taken though, the masses should storm Scotland Yard


No point, you'd only irritate the new owners.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:16 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ed Case wrote:
The police would have had no say in the matter and could do nothing but comply.

Constables swear fealty to the Monarch, not the Home Secretary of the minute. They used to bring their own prosecutions before the CPS, and constables (or anyone, in Englandshire) can and occasionally still do bring private prosecutions unto this day.

Only obeying orders is not an excuse for complicity.


I read today that the police at the time of Cyril Smiths arrest were threatened by senior officers with prosecution under the OSA if they persisted in their investigation. They were also made to hand in the notebooks, audio tapes and video film of him being caught in the act...

It was on the BBC though, so, you know, leftie leftie, socialist conspiracy etc...
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ed Case wrote:
The police would have had no say in the matter and could do nothing but comply.

Constables swear fealty to the Monarch, not the Home Secretary of the minute. They used to bring their own prosecutions before the CPS, and constables (or anyone, in Englandshire) can and occasionally still do bring private prosecutions unto this day.

Only obeying orders is not an excuse for complicity.


I wouldn't think that Betty has any knowledge at all of it, too much going on with the behaviour peculiarities of her cabal and thinking that her country always smells of fresh paint.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a great way of guaranteeing that people will do what they're told; I imagine that otherwise such people wouldn't get into power.

Or I would in a world where conspiracies actually existed, of course.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel really depressed learning about this despicable coverup. This are some of the worst crimes imaginable, committed by people high up in the uk government and concealed by the very people paid to investigate and prevent such abuse.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not new's. At the time Private Eye printed a lot about it. Under the cover of if it's wrong they will sue. You guessed it no one sue'ed. No other paper picked it up. And the story died a slow death of no interest.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

swampy wrote:

I read today that the police at the time of Cyril Smiths arrest were threatened by senior officers with prosecution under the OSA if they persisted in their investigation. They were also made to hand in the notebooks, audio tapes and video film of him being caught in the act...

It was on the BBC though, so, you know, leftie leftie, socialist conspiracy etc...


My grandmother (now deceased) knew a senior police officer who told her about Cyril Smith and how investigations into him would be mysteriously stopped by orders from above. I remember her telling me about this in the eighties.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

People with power over others are in a position to abuse, so that can incriminate any of us. People with more power than most are free to abuse more, same motive as anyone in any art of society might have but more means and more opportunity. The more inequality in society, the greater the number of disempowered the greater the scale of abuse. Victorian Britain was a cesspool of abuse exactly because there were so many potential victims close to hand for a wealth expanding idle class to take advantage of. The way things have been going over the last quarter of a century we're well on our way to creating a new haven for wealthy powerful peados.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Victorian Britain was a cesspool of abuse exactly because there were so many potential victims close to hand for a wealth expanding idle class to take advantage of. The way things have been going over the last quarter of a century we're well on our way to creating a new haven for wealthy powerful peados.
Thats assuming the 'haven' ever stopped. Its worse now than it was back then by a long shot either way. More wealth and power for certain groups and individuals is definately an issue, but the media obsession around politicians and powerful people being involved in abuse is mainly to sell papers.

Cheap and accessible international travel and the internet (particularly in some corners) is making it far easier for 'average' non-wealthy, non-powerful people to abuse in the last decade or two than ever before and is doing far more damage than victorian britain and 'the elite' has ever done.

As you said; its about ''means and more opportunity'' - you don't need wealth or power for either of those now days unfortunately.
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