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PostPosted: 19:37 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Wiring new tail light for DRZ400 Reply with quote

Hi,

I've made a start on replacing the 'orrible light on my DRZ. The light I'm using is one of these:

https://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah97/DRZ4Hunned/_12_zps2r3l455m.jpg

I've managed to get the light to illuminate, however when I apply the rear brake, instead of the brake light illuminating more, the numberplate LED's at the bottom illuminate more?

Any ideas why? Mucho grateful for any help Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter anymore, sorted it now Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another hurdle, I've tried getting the indicators to work, but all I've managed to do is get the right indicators to stay on without flashing and nothing on the left?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 21 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gradually getting there…

The only problem I have now is the numberplate light flashes when I turn either of the indicators on.

Here's a video:

https://s1378.photobucket.com/user/DRZ4Hunned/media/IMG_0823_zpskizan2bi.mp4.html?o=0

Someone had suggested that I check for a poor ground/earth so I disconnected by battery negative lead and set my multimeter to 20V and put one lead on the disconnected battery (-) and the other lead on the bike's earth wires that go to the components (the components were disconnected when I did this).

The results I got were:

Tail light = 10.9V
Both indicators = 10.5V

I'm not sure if I'm using my multimeter correctly to find an earth? Do those results look normal?
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 21 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sound like a poor earth, tbh. There aren't any other reasons that a lamp would flash, unless you connected it all through the flasher relay.

Did everything work ok before you put in the led lamp? If it were me I'd hook everything back up as standard and start over, checking functionality as every connection is made.

I have found, in the past, that indicators fitted with bulbs of the incorrect wattage can cause them to either not illuminate, not flash or flash at incorrect speeds.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 21 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
It does sound like a poor earth, tbh. There aren't any other reasons that a lamp would flash, unless you connected it all through the flasher relay.

Did everything work ok before you put in the led lamp? If it were me I'd hook everything back up as standard and start over, checking functionality as every connection is made.

I have found, in the past, that indicators fitted with bulbs of the incorrect wattage can cause them to either not illuminate, not flash or flash at incorrect speeds.


Everything worked fine before I changed the brake light, the only thing that is different is I've now left 2 wires from an indicator unconnected, I thought this might be the cause of the bad earth, but I connected a wire to them and then straight to the battery negative and it stopped the right hand side indicators working.

I've temporarily connected some of the wires using cable ties so they're not the best fit but they are working, surely as long as they touch the connection, they will be fine?

I could try using proper crimped connections and see if it would improve anything? (I'm only using cable ties as I'm waiting on sheet aluminium to fabricate a bracket so don't know what length wire will be needed yet.

I can take some more pictures/ video of the wiring if it would help?
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just replaced the back indicators with new non-LED ones and they're flashing at double speed as well as the numberplate light flashing.

If if re-connect the old non-LED one's they're fine but the numberplate light still flashes.

The indicators both look like those cheapo fake carbon fibre ones. Are they likely to be different watts? The new ones have 20w bulbs and I've connected them up the same way. I have had the new ones working at the right speed but all the indicators were flashing when I wired them up that way.

I've crimped proper connectors on now so I'm unsure whether it really is a bad earth. Doh!
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Just replaced the back indicators with new non-LED ones and they're flashing at double speed as well as the numberplate light flashing.


LED's draw less power so you should have had some resistors fitted, when you put the non-LED ones on did you remove them? Or just plug the replacement indicators straight in?
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even standard type bulbs of the incorrect wattage will make the flashing speeds vary. Check the tiny etched writing on the bulbs and check you haven't replaced 10W bulbs with 6W items.

As for the tail light flashing, I can't think of any other reason, off the top of my head, that it would flash with the indicator other than a poor earth or some real doofus wiring.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Just replaced the back indicators with new non-LED ones and they're flashing at double speed as well as the numberplate light flashing.


LED's draw less power so you should have had some resistors fitted, when you put the non-LED ones on did you remove them? Or just plug the replacement indicators straight in?


Sorry I might have been unclear, the previous indicators were also non-LED ones just like the new ones I have fitted, that's why I'm confused as I've wired them in exactly the same as the old ones which worked fine.

I didn't see any resistors when I removed the old ones, unless they're integrated within the indicator body somehow?

Old ones (work fine):

https://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah97/DRZ4Hunned/IMG_0824_zpsmth743xf.jpg

New ones (double speed):

https://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah97/DRZ4Hunned/IMG_0825_zpscszwqjal.jpg

Wiring from the old indicators that used to be connected to the previous LED taillight from the indicators that I've left unconnected as it just makes things stop working:

https://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah97/DRZ4Hunned/IMG_0826_zpstig0zjzg.jpg

I've got no idea what I'm doing so just trail and error'ing different combinations until it works. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody Chinese bastards!!

The new indicators I'd been using stated that they were 12V 20W on the lens… I'd read a little into why they're flashing at twice the speed and a few people said the cheap Chinese indicators they'd bought had the wrong bulbs in, so upon checking they had 10W bulbs in!

The old indicators that work have 23w bulbs in, what's the easiest way to fix this? Buy new indicators or a new flasher unit?
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had exactly the same issue with some ebay indicators and I found that the little pins on the bayonet fittings of the two wattages of bulb were offset to each other. However, I just filed off one of the odd pins and the bulbs fitted and held in place ok.

Worth a try?
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 22 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
I had exactly the same issue with some ebay indicators and I found that the little pins on the bayonet fittings of the two wattages of bulb were offset to each other. However, I just filed off one of the odd pins and the bulbs fitted and held in place ok.

Worth a try?


They're sealed units unfortunately but I can see through the lens they're 10w, so I doubt any adjustments would make a difference? I think the easiest thing to do is buy some more 20w indicators. Then the only thing that needs doing is sorting the flashing numberplate light which is probably due to a bad connection somewhere.
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