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dal
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: advice please :-) Reply with quote

hi guys n gals
iv got a cbr 125 copy and the carb was knacked so I got me a VM22 Mikuni 26mm . now the bike starts fine but when I get to about 60mph it starts to make a bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrr sound lol and power stays the same ..... is this a mixture / tuning issue or jet prob ?
I also get a buring smell when I use the lights but that's a whole dif thread all together lol thanks .... dal Smile
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: advice please :-) Reply with quote

dal wrote:
iv got a cbr 125 copy and the carb was knacked

Based on what diagnosis?

dal wrote:
when I get to about 60mph it starts to make a bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrr sound lol and power stays the same ..... is this a mixture / tuning issue or jet prob ?

"bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" as in chilly, or "bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" as in motorboating Christina Hendricks?

Since you didn't say which copy, I'll assume Lexmoto (or Skyjet) XTR with a pushrod CG-copy engine [UPDATE] - oh, Superbyke RBP. I think that is another Skyjet SJ125 rebranding. A real 60mph is about all that you should expect to see from its 10hp.

Were you expecting more, and again, based on what?

Have you done a plug chop? Ride at full throttle (not in top gear) for as far as you can't, hit the kill-switch and pull in the clutch. Try and hold the throttle open as you come to a stop. Pull the plug (carefully), take a picture of the end of it, show us.

I wouldn't expect miracles though. It's a basic commuter bike in a pretty frock.
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dal
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a Superbyke RBP

I got it as a non runner and replaced the vacuum system with a normal on / off tap and new manifold without the hole . and as said new carb . and it fired up right away .... the bike picks up speed fine but as soon as you get near 3/4 throttle the bbrrrrrrrr like a low long fart kicks in lol ... so as you let up it goes back to normal and power builds up again ..im not expecting to much but it defo has a lot more left in it but the noise stops it .. I know its not a super fast bike and its a cheap one Smile ... iv not touched any of the screws on the carb yet , hope this give you a bit more of a idea . thanks
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You say you had a hole in the manifold? (I assume you mean one that shouldn't be there Wink )

Sounds like you may still have an undetected air leak kicking in at wide open throttle?

Does it happen in all gears, when over 3/4 throttle?
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

''bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'' = way too much air in the mixture. Did you fit the air filter there? Is the throttle body and jet size the same as you had before?
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

the jets are the standard size what were fitted in carb as stock which I believe are 95 main jet and 15 pilot jet . and I kept with the airbox style filter .
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, it does sound (unheard) lean, but I'd plug chop it anyway. For reference, my copybike with that engine came with a 90 main jet. I went up to a 95 happily enough with the usual cone filter noncery, and later de-catted exhausts. 100 was too rich.

Hopefully not a daft question, but is the choke definitely off? I know... uh... this guy who definitely isn't me... who after a few weeks of not riding forget which way the choke worked on his Dekni copybike carb, and again on his Enfield. What a chump.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep choke is off .... when the choke is on it idles really fast ... the original carb was a deni PZ27 ..

il be out in the garage in a bit il pull the plug out and see what colour it is . what way would you think of turing the mixture screw . (its under the carb oh great lol)
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dal wrote:
what way would you think of turing the mixture screw . (its under the carb oh great lol)

I just used a screwdriver bit. Dropped it a few times, magnet-on-a-stick is handy. Wink

That should really only significantly effect the idle mixture though (and should only be used for that purpose). If the main jetting is off, that's an issue with the main jet.

Hang on, did you fit any kind of fuel filter when you were replacing the petcock? Any chance you've just sucked tank crud into the main jet?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

most mixture screws are in for lean out for rich.
the manifold 'hole' was probably a nozzle for the vac tap pipe?
we're blanking that off and going manual on the 125 we have here at the mo.
It also has an air injection port plumbed to it
does yours? and have you blanked that off too if so?
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah added filter and cleaned tank out first ...... And no other bit for pipes that I can see .
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, well, it all sounds good then. Eh?

Air leak in the new manifold? I know there's not much of it, but is it air tight? Tried spraying some WD-40 or similar onto it at idle and seeing if the revs pick up?

I'd check the main jet again just to be sure that it's clear - it does sound like a jetting problem.

If all seems good, you could knock it up to a 100 or 105, because racebike. Wink
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