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hazza
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Divvy 900 => sv650? Reply with quote

Sorry for a third thread on me swapping my bike for something more luggage friendly, the Transalp I went to test ride was trash so that was that out of the window.

I've seen a 1998 Divvy at a dealers with almost 50,000 miles on it. It's 9 years older than my bike and has done a stack more miles but it has full luggage, a touring screen, centre stand shaft drive etc so ticks all of my boxes apart from it being dog ugly. I use my bike everyday and can't really be without it so selling privately would be inconvenient.

I'm assuming I would be able to talk my way into a straight swap for the bike but would I be being stupid? I'm looking at a bike that is 17 years old with 50k on the clock against a bike that is 8 years old with 17k on it, albeit one that doesn't fit my needs.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to exchange a 17k SV650 for a 50k 900 Divvy? Why not exchange your current clothes for a tweed suit and a pipe and slippers?
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute on my SV. That's it. No time to ride for pleasure currently and I need something to accommodate lots of coursework that I need to bring home.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Divvy 9 is a thoroughly sound bike, and will serve your needs. They are also capable of getting a move on if prompted, too. Just be aware that it'll behave quite differently to the SV.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
I commute on my SV. That's it. No time to ride for pleasure currently and I need something to accommodate lots of coursework that I need to bring home.


Just get a topbox...
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick look local to me comes up with this although it looks over priced.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/yamaha-motorbikes/yamaha-xj-900-/1106041297

Even without seeing the one you're looking at I can tell you that it's probably not worth anything more than a grand. Loads to choose from out there and worth the hassle of selling the SV privately to save a few quid, quite a few quid.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The divvy is really not all that bad a bike, you even get used to the looks Laughing

I got my '96 divvy on 32,000 miles, it's on something like 53,000 now and still going strong. I paid £950 for mine including three boxes.

Edit: having owned both (Okay the SV was a shitter but it ran alright for a couple of weeks) and commuted on both too, I'd have the divvy every time.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the bike i'm looking at is stupidly overpriced.

I know I can get a top box system, but it's going to cost around £350 for a decent Givi box and rack and i'd still end up not being able to get panniers for it. I've not ruled it out, but I'd probably want to get a secondhand system rather than pay the premium for new!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
Looks like the bike i'm looking at is stupidly overpriced.

I know I can get a top box system, but it's going to cost around £350 for a decent Givi box and rack and i'd still end up not being able to get panniers for it. I've not ruled it out, but I'd probably want to get a secondhand system rather than pay the premium for new!


How much fucking coursework do u get that you need full panniers for?

get a second hand topbox from sv650.org
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a second hand abused pillion seat for cheap.

Get a large second hand top box. If it's a givi monokey then I probably wouldn't drill holes in it. If it's something cheaper then go for it.

Drill holes and bolt to pillion seat.

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I run a Divvy 900, good solid bike. Gets the job done Very Happy

Bought mine for £600 (1995 model) at 60k miles and now has just over 79k miles and still runs perfectly.

Did a trip last year through Europe without any preparation, and it just did it no questions asked, no problems and just munched up the miles.

On the Autobahn got it up to 120mph ish Shocked and definitely has the torque to lift its skirt up if you need it too.

The front brakes can be upgraded for Blue spots as they're a straight swap which is a great upgrade, gives it some serious pulling power.

Mine has a scabby givi rack system on it, sometimes pop up on ebay cheap, so takes a topbox and panniers easy. Can join the divvy forum as they pop up on their too.

Returns about 40mpg but is rather heavy when manoeuvring out of garden, but handles alright when it gets going. If its on the original rear shock, might be clapped out a bit but theres a few options for a replacement one on the divvy forums from other bikes.

I'm keeping this one till it dies... and then i'll chuck a new engine in it. Its not the most fun bike, and isn't the best at everything. But it gets the job done, can be fast, carries plenty, is comfortable and have heard of engines going round the clock.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much is your sv worth?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much do you need to carry?

Tank bag, tail bag on seat, back pack.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
tail bag on seat


Kriega US30.

Like I said before...
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
Looks like the bike i'm looking at is stupidly overpriced.

I know I can get a top box system, but it's going to cost around £350 for a decent Givi box and rack and i'd still end up not being able to get panniers for it. I've not ruled it out, but I'd probably want to get a secondhand system rather than pay the premium for new!


Good 900 Divvys are now starting to become just a touch rarer, so the prices are holding up, the really cheap bikes have either done mental miles and/or are cosmetically tatty; there probably are still bargains to be had, but they are getting harder to find.

I'd be a lot less worried about buying one with 50K on the clock than I would many other bikes, but the lower the miles, the higher the price, so you have to decide where your tipping point is.

At the risk of seriously repeating myself, the pre Divvy 900F is a better bike (and to back up that opinion, I've just bought one) but the supply of good low mileage examples is now drying up, so if you find one, snap it up.

As for luggage, finding secondhand boxes isn't too hard, but the fitting kits aren't exactly common, I would (and did) pay a little extra for a bike that already has everything, especially if you can't afford to wait for the right stuff to becomae available.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate has lent me his tail pack, which won't secure well enough to my SV as the bungies just want to pull the pack forward as there aren't any fixing points towards the tail end that I can use.

As I declared I couldn't get any panniers on my bike some used ones popped up on ebay to make me look a tit. The guy won't give me a price and wants the auction to run it's course, which is fair enough so I'll see how I fair with that in a few days.

In response to how much C/W do I have, well, loads. Being able to take 75-100 folders of work home to mark over the weekend would be great. Currently I'm smashing 25 of them up trying to get them into my backpack and hoping that the zip doesn't pop on the dual carriageway.

From the photo's, the bike LOOKS very clean which with 50k on the clock would lead me to think it has been looked after rather than left to rot like a lot of them do.

https://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff501/harrybarfield/900.jpg


Still cant get over the years and milage difference if I were to swap though. I could try and talk my way into a new lid too though!
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks very tidy. Thumbs Up

You're comparing a bike that holds its value well if in good condition with the value of a bike that can be bought new from less than £5k.

If the divvy has been looked after then I would expect it to outlive the SV even with an extra 30k miles on it. The engine is solid but pay particular attention to bearings, suspension, and rust on the exhaust and frame.

Also if you go for that particular bike budget for engine bars, they're a must, the engine sticks way outside the frame and will take a big hit if it slides down the road. Also if you do crash good luck finding a replacement fairing.

Blue spots bolts straight on and are a nice upgrade, but really highlight the soft front end.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a 650 Deauville on auto trader for £1995 53 plate with 28k miles and top box.
If that's any good.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh, stupid. What's wrong with chucking some soft luggage over the rear?
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:

Also if you go for that particular bike budget for engine bars, they're a must, the engine sticks way outside the frame and will take a big hit if it slides down the road. Also if you do crash good luck finding a replacement fairing.



Deffo worth their weight in gold, those cases are very vulnerable in a spill and I would go for the three point cradle type like this...

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/185473

.......rather than the style that just cup the front of the motor and fold back and crunch the cases anyway.

Also as Conan says, throw away your preconceptions with these bikes, age is irrelevant, condition is everything; a well looked after machine, maybe with some sensible mods (better brake lines, washable air filter, etc) and/or evidence of recent work, like fork seals or head bearings, will last as long as you continue to take care of it.

The Deauville is another option, I just can't quite get excited enough, when there's still plenty of XJs around.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
As I declared I couldn't get any panniers on my bike some used ones popped up on ebay to make me look a tit.


I thought the point of this was to get some useable luggage. Surely you're not overly bothered about aesthetics? I mean... you're considering a divvy.

You've said somewhere that you can't get a tail pack on the SV due to a lack of points to tie the bungees on. I have a Moto Detail 3 piece soft luggage system (expandable panniers and massive tail pack) which is very good. No bungees or mounting points required as it has straps which wrap around the pillion seat. I refuse to believe this will not fit on an SV. If it genuinely won't then I conclude the SV is a truly rubbish bike. I bought this set second hand for £50 from a member on here.

If you must have hard luggage then look into getting a cheap pillion seat to bolt a large top box onto as suggested by someone above. One or two people on the EuroJolly last year did this and it worked very well.

If you really do fancy a different bike then it would help if you would give an idea of how much your bike is worth. That way we can give a better idea of what bike may be suitable.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I declared I couldn't get any panniers on my bike some used ones popped up on Ebay to make me look a tit.


I thought the point of this was to get some useable luggage. Surely you're not overly bothered about aesthetics? I mean... you're considering a divvy.

You've said somewhere that you can't get a tail pack on the SV due to a lack of points to tie the bungees on. I have a Moto Detail 3 piece soft luggage system (expandable panniers and massive tail pack) which is very good. No bungees or mounting points required as it has straps which wrap around the pillion seat. I refuse to believe this will not fit on an SV. If it genuinely won't then I conclude the SV is a truly rubbish bike. I bought this set second hand for £50 from a member on here.

If you must have hard luggage then look into getting a cheap pillion seat to bolt a large top box onto as suggested by someone above. One or two people on the EuroJolly last year did this and it worked very well.

If you really do fancy a different bike then it would help if you would give an idea of how much your bike is worth. That way we can give a better idea of what bike may be suitable.
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I wasn't talking aesthetics, this is a work horse I'm past caring how it looks I just want something capable. I couldn't find any pannier systems for the SV so I assumed that you couldn't get them for it due to the style of the bike. As soon as I typed that onto BCF some turned up on Ebay, hence making me look a tit!

Perhaps a Moto Detail 3 will fit, but the Givi one i tried out had it's main fixings on bungie's, I'll look into it but it doesn't seem to be the
best option as I commute all year around regardless of the conditions. Hard luggage is the way to go I think.

In terms of value of my bike I'd say around 2200-2300? It's a 2007 SV650SK6, Eucalaise Silver, 17K, some service history which mainly show receipts i've had for parts used in home servicing and some history from previous owner who had it serviced at Streetbike since new. Heated grips, pillion seat cover, crash bobbins, Suzuki rear hugger and other than that original.

If I can score this pannier system (panniers inc. but top box isn't) I'll be happy as Larry. The bike hasn't let me down in two years (other than a duff battery) and costs pennies to run. It's got plenty power for the city commute where the Deauville I looked at may struggle at the traffic light GP.
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