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There are a few countries on the mainland that seem to exist in a permanent state of coalition*. The great thing about it is that it minimises the harm any particular government can do... The countries just tick along.
Heck, Belgium went the best part of a couple of years without a government at all when the coalition decided not to cooperate and do you know what changed? Nothing!
Bring forth the coalition I say. The more parties the better.
*And I mean proper coalition, not lib dems simply acting as lap dogs.
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Have to agree with him ^^^^
Coalition has seemed to reduce the excesses that the Conservatives could dream up.
I'm not sure if the Lib Dems would want another session of being sodomised by Cameron though, they have really lost all credibility from being the patsys.
Labour and SNP,  forget the Union. We would be giving independance to Cornwall under them.
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Coalitions are a waste of time, all they mean is that nobody gets what they voted for. 
The damage that could be caused by Labour, the SNP and their supporters is worrying possibility! |
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I'm thinking of not bothering to vote.
I am quite right wing, though I want to stay in Europe, I do think the Tories have done wonders with the economy just in my industry I see massive growth and we are now finding it difficult to recruit. B but I don't trust them with defence. To cut defence below 2% is ridiculous.
Labour, I like the £6K Uni fees idea, however I think Ed Milliband is a complete tool, he is not charismatic and don't think he is prime ministerial.
Liberals, tbh I don't mind Cleg, I think they brought balance. I know everyone goes on about the uni fees, but he didn't actually win the election.
UKIP, borderline racists. Even though I am to the right, we belong in Europe, I daily interact with people all over Europe in my job and I need to be able to visit/work without hindrance. Everything in the EEC is so easy, try having to go to Moscow or USA, visa bolloxs.
SNP = Racists anti English bigots. They bring shame on the Scottish nation. When you hear one speak substitute Westminster with England and you will understand. I will never forgive any party going in to alliance or understanding with them.
Greens - Tossers and if a man had made comments about women like Natalie Bennett did on radio 4 they would have been hounded. It wasn't in the press I don't think, I heard her speak.
Saying all that I see a labour Victory.
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| kawakid wrote: | I do think the Tories have done wonders with the economy
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What wonders? BoE started printing money in 2009. £375bln
That equates to 3% of GDP since 2009 per year!
But what actually happened to GDP growth in the following years.
2010 1.9%
2011 1.6%
2012 0.7%
2013 1.7%
2014 2.7%
So without QE, we'd have been in recession for 5 years.
But QE isn't a free lunch, in fact it's state authorised theft. Sterling's global currency value has devalued by 20% meaning we've had a lot of price inflation either direct, or indirect in the lower quality / volume of product for the same money.
Pension funds forced to hold gilts have been decimated, leaving enormous black holes, no way to fill them and an ageing population.
Unemployment is down, but underemployment is significantly up as are zero hours contracts. There has been an explosion in pay day lenders.
Help to Buy, Funding for Lending Scheme, slammed interest rates have all created asset bubbles.
The Tories have penalised the poor by hitting the 3% chunk of the welfare bill that is NOT pensions. If you reduce disabled payments by 50%, reduce unemployment benefit by 50%, reduce housing benefit by 50% and you still only save 1.5% of welfare bill. They made savings in the 3% slice and left 97% because it's their core vote.
| kawakid wrote: | just in my industry I see massive growth and we are now finding it difficult to recruit.
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Congratulations. I'm guessing your industry is built heavily on credit, or customers who have access to credit / investment.
I'm not saying that Conservatives have done a worse job than any other party, the political system is purely there to preserve the status quo and really doesn't matter who is in "power".
But they have done next to fuck all other than follow the lead of other central banks, specifically the FED.
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Saying all that I see a labour Victory.
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I would have said the same thing and did in 2010 after the Comprehensive Spending Review. All Labour had to do was vote David Milliband in and they were home & dry. In fact, they still could have gotten Alan Johnson 2 years later when it was obvious Ed was the wrong front man and still probably have made it to number 1.
But no, Ed did a deal with the Unions and it's cost Labour the election I think. Labour will lose as many seats to UKIP as Cons do. The only saving grace for them is no one will vote lib and their natural home is labour.
I think another coalition, but this time between UKIP and cons. |
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| Pigeon wrote: | | kawakid wrote: | I do think the Tories have done wonders with the economy
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What wonders? BoE started printing money in 2009. £375bln
That equates to 3% of GDP since 2009 per year!
But what actually happened to GDP growth in the following years.
2010 1.9%
2011 1.6%
2012 0.7%
2013 1.7%
2014 2.7%
So without QE, we'd have been in recession for 5 years.
But QE isn't a free lunch, in fact it's state authorised theft. Sterling's global currency value has devalued by 20% meaning we've had a lot of price inflation either direct, or indirect in the lower quality / volume of product for the same money.
Pension funds forced to hold gilts have been decimated, leaving enormous black holes, no way to fill them and an ageing population.
Unemployment is down, but underemployment is significantly up as are zero hours contracts. There has been an explosion in pay day lenders.
Help to Buy, Funding for Lending Scheme, slammed interest rates have all created asset bubbles.
The Tories have penalised the poor by hitting the 3% chunk of the welfare bill that is NOT pensions. If you reduce disabled payments by 50%, reduce unemployment benefit by 50%, reduce housing benefit by 50% and you still only save 1.5% of welfare bill. They made savings in the 3% slice and left 97% because it's their core vote.
| kawakid wrote: | just in my industry I see massive growth and we are now finding it difficult to recruit.
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Congratulations. I'm guessing your industry is built heavily on credit, or customers who have access to credit / investment.
I'm not saying that Conservatives have done a worse job than any other party, the political system is purely there to preserve the status quo and really doesn't matter who is in "power".
But they have done next to fuck all other than follow the lead of other central banks, specifically the FED.
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Saying all that I see a labour Victory.
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I would have said the same thing and did in 2010 after the Comprehensive Spending Review. All Labour had to do was vote David Milliband in and they were home & dry. In fact, they still could have gotten Alan Johnson 2 years later when it was obvious Ed was the wrong front man and still probably have made it to number 1.
But no, Ed did a deal with the Unions and it's cost Labour the election I think. Labour will lose as many seats to UKIP as Cons do. The only saving grace for them is no one will vote lib and their natural home is labour.
I think another coalition, but this time between UKIP and cons. |
So you're more of a "glass half empty" kind of chap then?
Do you think Milliband and Labour would have turned the economy around and brought the deficit down to the same degree, with their higher spending aproach?
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Have the Swiss used quantitive easing measures recently? If I'm not mistaken the Euro, Yen and Dollar have all relied on it to some degree (the Japanese seem to be addicted to it!!). Only last month the Swede's decided to employ those measures as well.
Would it not be harder to judge it's global affects if all the major currencies are pursuing the same. I wonder how Western currencies compare to the Yuan over the last few years??
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