Logging, tracking and stats

[bamt]

Coming from a long distance cycling background, I'm used to tracking my rides (logging the GPS track, speed, road gradient, altitude, pedalling speed, heart rate etc.). I'd never really bothered on the motorbike, but thought I'd try it - mainly to see exactly where we go on group rides.

So today I was out on the local IAM group's B run, and gave the Diablo Android app a go. As you can see, I totally owned that ride! 135 mph and 65 degrees of lean. Who says IAM is for the pipe & slippers brigade?
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7710/17200947592_f6ccae0b48_z.jpg

So, the mapping is pretty reasonable, but the max speed and lean angle suggest that perhaps the app isn't doing a good job of smoothing the inputs. Average speed is way down presumably due to having left it running whilst at coffee stops and when marking junctions (cycling apps I have show both an overall average and a moving average).

Anybody had better success with anything else running on Android? I have the phone mounted on my bars (so good GPS view of the sky) in a RAM mounted transparent Peli case. I'm wondering if the lean angle is skewed by the bars turning during cornering - though steering input is minimal at speed so I wouldn't have intuitively thought there was that much error.

[Wull]

Waste of time,I can't be doing with them as they're way off! I used one in the car once and managed a lean angle of 25

I deleted it after that.
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[Tungtvann]

That app seemed to be much more accurate for me on the iPhone than it now does on my Android. I think that's more to do with the phone and/or Android than the actual app. I seem to get random GPS pings all over the place, before I disabled the location history on google maps, it had me in the middle of the M4 near when I'd been nowhere near it and also hitting 130mph on a leisurely ride through the countryside the other week when I'd been nowhere near that fast.

[Nemo]

It works well for me, speed is within range of what my speedo said, give or take a couple of mph.

Lean angle seems to work well to, showed my max lean angle as 30° (getting used to the bike ) which seemed to coincide too, going by feel, obviously didn't get the protractor out while riding.
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[ScaredyCat]

[talkToTheHat]

Have run that app, keep the phone in my pocket.

Makes me nervous. If stopped for going a bit fast, can the plod look at my phone and then see that I was cranked over at (angle) past the (place) and sustained a kitten killing (speed) for (many) miles and throw the me to the wolves. I value my license more than bragging rights.

More generally how "my phone spies on me" shit can come back to bite me in relation to traffic offences
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[Nemo]

[Tungtvann]

[talkToTheHat]

The diablo icon shows in your nototfication bar. Would not run it on a device mounted on the bars.
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[Matt B]

As far as I understand it they have no powers during a roadside stop (unless you tell them they can) to look at your phone or sat-nav for evidence of speeding.

If they stop you under PACE it may be a different matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/04/liberty-clinic-stop-search-mobile

I doubt any evidence from your phone, on it's own, would stand up anyway.
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[talkToTheHat]

The only way that is happening to the 535 is on its side in the back of a modded transit.
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[Suntan Sid]

Alternatively, why not just concentrate on enjoying riding your bike, instead of stressing about all the "shite you don't need" on your fukkin' phone!
Seems to have worked well for the last hundred years or so, FFS!
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[talkToTheHat]

The bragging stats are pretty much irrelevant. I use google maps when I am lost, considering a proper gps so I can hear directions and don't have to fuck about taking my phone out or consulting the atoz when vaguely lost. I used the pirelli app once or twice when I set out to determine the location of a few places and knew it would be difficult to stop. I know some other apps and GPSs overtly track you, Waze springs to mine. Google is more covert, and does stuff with your location data but is evidently tracking many motor vehicle users in order to determine traffic and vehicle use patterns.

How long before police think a rider or driver was speeding and ask google for evidence?
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[Tungtvann]

[Copycat73]

I`ve been recordin that sort of information on me sat-nav since 2010
;minus the lean angle; and quite frankly it is of little use or interest to most people.
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[stevo as b4]

I can understand keen and competitive cyclists tracking their rides, seeing how many calories they burn, see who is king of the hill or a set stretch of road, forest or track etc.

After all it's about fitness, health monitoring, and competition between people to see who is best etc.

But tracking a motorcycle ride, just seems sad IMO if your doing it regularly or taking in data like lean angle, how much G force you achieved and acceleration/braking data etc.

But then I think that people that film every cycle, motorbike and or car journey for insurance/evidence purposes are also pretty sad.

[Wull]

[bamt]

The bit I'm really interested in is logging where I've been. I've ridden some brilliant roads in the middle of long rides, but had no idea where they actually were (especially when following someone or in a group). I've had days where we've done a couple of hundred miles, and at the end of the ride only really known a few of the key places.

The lean angle and max speed recorded on the single ride I've tried that app on just amused me; the only time I scrape my knee on the ground with the bike is when I'm next to it checking tyre pressures

[Tungtvann]

[69.9mph]

[nelmo]

[Suntan Sid]

[ScaredyCat]

[stevo as b4]

Really missing the point there fella!

The thing is you go down the recording all your rides, cycles and drives route, and it turns every journey into a program or episode IMO. It has some slim chance of being a benefit for commuter only journeys that are done daily is very heavy busy traffic etc.

But where do you stop then? And do you pay out for and fit recording equipment to all your bikes, cycles, and cars?
Will you stop up at night to review the footage for near miss's or try and find evidence/details for all those that wronged you that day out on the roads?

What do you do when you see a car/van/truck driver clearly on the phone etc, and you have the numberplate details? Do you feel obliged then to ring up the police and or transport company to report the evil driver for his/her actions?

What if you want to go to a bike meet for a pint and chat with your mates, do you switch on the camera's then? And how about if your just nipping a mile down the Sainbury's for some milk/bread, do you switch your cam on for that too?

Oh and what about the pub bike meet I mentioned too, if another guys cam records you drinking 3pints of beer and then riding off on your bike, should he use that footage to report you for drink driving?

It's a silly no winners game IMO recording all your vehicle journeys, and it could bite you on the bum too!

If it's such a cash saver for Insurance companies and for the courts etc, then why has law not been passed for every new vehicle sold to be fitted with dash cams as std instead of all the other useless ICE and Navigation/Comms shit they come with as std?