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TheSmiler
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Edit: Now the discussion on ABS and defective brakes. Reply with quote

It's come time to upgrade and I'm looking at getting a BMW k75 found this one on EBAY any information I should know about them Question

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221760818856?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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PostPosted: 07:01 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks reasonable enough, and it's had the clutch done. Maybe too many changes from original spec for me but try getting an insurance quote first just to check.

Price-wise, these bikes come in at less than a grand and if the engine sounds ok when cold then it's probably fine. Discs can warp but work outwith their tolerances and spares are plentiful if you really need them.

Personally, I'd go for something like this, even although it's a K100.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-K100-/111655585462?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19ff3106b6

But I could also go for this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-K75-RT-1992-47000-MILES-IN-DRY-STORE-FOR-LAST-19-YEARS-/181733335450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a5026a19a

I'd always pay that bit extra for a K to get a good one - much easier to sell on.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
But I could also go for this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-K75-RT-1992-47000-MILES-IN-DRY-STORE-FOR-LAST-19-YEARS-/181733335450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a5026a19a

I'd always pay that bit extra for a K to get a good one - much easier to sell on.


Thats amusing as that bike has faulty ABS so shouldn't be on the road.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would only go for either of these bikes if I was on a budget. I'd rather pay more for a sorted one (maybe I should have been clearer in my final sentence).

The ABS could be faulty, or may just need re-setting. For under £700 I might take that chance.

Having said that, after owning two K100's, I'd think hard before I bought another one as I find the CX500's easier to live with. A bit lumpy compared to the smooth bricks, and oh so slow, but still decent value at under a grand.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep an eye on the ABS bikes, it was BMW's first attempt and many of the systems need a bit of tinkering at this stage in their lifespan. Usually the pump or computer goes a bit funny.

The 75 triple is a better engine than the 100 four too imho, much smoother.

Interestingly BMW managed to wrangle it so they could use three line number plates on their bikes, with the effect today that average speed cameras have trouble reading them properly. Razz
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another bike along these lines is the XJ900, the old or the newer diversion. Also shaft drive, can be found under a grand and really reliable. I love mine Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Oldie I've had two K100s over the years and now just have
my old CX which can easily be kept running on a budget.
the K was a great motorway/touring bike but damned heavy for city riding
so when I had downsize the stable this made it top the list.
I can fling the CX about like a 250 in comparison and it suits me.

The K75s are good and the engines very smooth and can clock up high miles (100K+)
but be warned spares prices can be eye watering !
ABS faults are common and many guys disable it
A mate has a 94 K75 the rear shock has just failed on and the rear disc is looking shabby
and he's looking at hundreds of pounds to put it right.
He's still getting vague ABS faults on it too.

There is a lot of web/forum support for the home mechanic though should you pull the trigger
and buy one.

If I wanted an bigger older tourer again I'd go for a divvy 900
as it looks more practical/easier to live with
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the replies people, I've considered the XJ900 however was more drawn to the old styling of the BMW's originally R1100RT but I don't really need an 1100 at the moment.

Oldie wrote:
Looks reasonable enough, and it's had the clutch done. Maybe too many changes from original spec for me but try getting an insurance quote first just to check.


I've done an insurance quote, with 2 years ncb. That means cancelling this one just encase. It come in at £250 tpft, with £275 excess. Or £450 FC, with £500 excess.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
ABS faults are common and many guys disable it


Which is worth 3 points and a prohibition notice.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
ABS faults are common and many guys disable it


Which is worth 3 points and a prohibition notice.


Is it?
I didn't know that, mine were pre ABS luckily
If I was looking at that K75 with 92000 on the clocks I'd be wondering how much life was left in it before it gets all wanty and needy.
Always had older bikes and try to stick to a keep it simple approach.
Throwing money at a complex old banger isn't as much fun as keeping a simpler bike on the road.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Is it?
I didn't know that


CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes.

Clicky.

If I remember correctly the first prosecution using a camera in the UK was of a driver who had disconnected his ABS.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Splines may have been greased, but 12,000 miles ago, but with what, and what condition are they in?

It's not got a year's MOT on it, the picture was taken 2,000 miles ago (why's it not sold?) and I'd fully expect that he's selling it because he knows something expensive is needing done to it.

He's also got that "I'm doing you a favour by even offering my awesome bike for sale" vibe going. Find someone who wants to sell.

Wouldn't touch it. £850 is the starting price, with 8 days to run. I expect you can find something better in that time.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

After being advised by another member and some of the posts, I think I'll steer clear of this one. Might go down the XJ900 route early 90's are much more appealing to the eye than the later models. So I'll add them onto the cards.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got my K75 for £600 delivered with 80k miles on it.

Faulty ABS but meh, passed MOT's with a sticker on the light.

AWESOME engine.

Just check that it doesn't jump out of 2nd under heavy acceleration or the splines are probably on their way out.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope I haven't put you off K75s
They can be a damn good bike but as with any older bike
you have to go in with your eyes open.
the one you pointed out may have many miles left in it yet
for all we know.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
I hope I haven't put you off K75s
They can be a damn good bike but as with any older bike
you have to go in with your eyes open.
the one you pointed out may have many miles left in it yet
for all we know.


To be honest I'm just not sure which to go for, all I know is I need a shaft drive bike (don't want chain) for mid June at the latest. Which has to have a fairing don't fancy too naked. Doesn't really bother me about top speed or acceleration too much. Definitely having engine protection.

Not going spend more than £1500 at a push, I've been suggested the BMW's by one member an Xj900 from another and Honda Deauville from another. Insurance on the k75, Deauville and xj900 all come in at roughly £250-£280 TPFT with about £200 excess. However even though my limited mechanical ability I'm drawn to the older styling of bikes as they look a lot better in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can pick up very decent Deauvilles and Diversions for that kind of money. The Divvy is probably more fun but the Deau is pretty decent too. Buy either one with less than, say, 35000 miles and you shouldn't lose much on re-sale.

Ok, so you might tire of it, but it's certainly worth trying one.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why I have recommended a Deauville to you.

Years ago some may remember a shop called Wheels International, there was a branch in Stockwell opposite where J&S are now. A friend of mine Kiwi Tim was the head salesman there and he used to say that as a salesman your job was to listen to what someone wanted and find the middle ground with what they needed. In your case you aren't buying a new BMW or have the money to so what we need to do is find what you can afford that does the job. When I say afford I don't just mean purchase price I mean servicing and ongoing running costs and unforeseen expenses.

What you want a bike for.

You want a bike for motorway running and Euro trips. It needs to have enough power to keep up, a large luggage capacity and a reasonable fuel capacity.

The bike need to be economical, easy to service, cheap to service and have easily available parts supply.

What you want

From what you have told me you want an 80's-90's unfaired bike with ape hangers.

Conclusion

Its time to grow up.

You don't bother with regular servicing, you wait for things to break.
You don't have decent tools yet as you think buying cheap is no different to buying quality.
Ape hangers on a motorway just doesn't work.
Big fairings on a motorway are nice, they help keep you warm and dry.

I suggest you stop arsing around and just buy one of the low mileage Deauville's from Ebay. You are day dreaming about what ifs when the simple fact is a Deauville does everything you need including affordability just not everything you want most of which clash with what you need.
You cannot afford to run an 80's-90's bike if it has any problems.

It really is time to grow up.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
You don't bother with regular servicing, you wait for things to break.
You don't have decent tools yet as you think buying cheap is no different to buying quality.
Ape hangers on a motorway just doesn't work.
Big fairings on a motorway are nice, they help keep you warm and dry.

I suggest you stop arsing around and just buy one of the low mileage Deauville's from Ebay. You are day dreaming about what ifs when the simple fact is a Deauville does everything you need including affordability just not everything you want most of which clash with what you need.
You cannot afford to run an 80's-90's bike if it has any problems.

It really is time to grow up.


I do actually do some maintenance, well kinda. But that's just oiling cables, air filter change, checking tyre pressure. If something is fine I leave it
Haven't needed to do an oil change at the moment. An I never mentioned ape hangers they were nice on the CG but that was years ago, not sure I'd fancy them on a larger bike.

Tools I've got are cheap but aren't that bad I haven't rounded of any bolts or stripped any threads. It might be bad but until I do then I haven't really any need for any true expensive tools. If I was repairing other bikes then maybe yes.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're hell-bent on a BMW then 90's R1100RS and RT's sell for about a grand on eBay.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
Is it?
I didn't know that


CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes.

Clicky.

If I remember correctly the first prosecution using a camera in the UK was of a driver who had disconnected his ABS.


I was under the impression that on a motorcycle, failed ABS doesn't count as defective brakes as the brakes themselves still function - exactly as they would on any non-ABS bike. Doubly so considering that ABS only became mandatory in 2015.

That's why, unlike the car MOT in the bike MOT nonfunctioning ABS is an advisory rather than a refusal. Also why so many bike companies can get away with putting ABS override buttons on their bikes that disconnect the system.

I'd be interested to see the story behind the guy supposedly being pinched for it.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
sickpup wrote:

CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes.

Clicky.

If I remember correctly the first prosecution using a camera in the UK was of a driver who had disconnected his ABS.


I was under the impression that on a motorcycle, failed ABS doesn't count as defective brakes as the brakes themselves still function - exactly as they would on any non-ABS bike. Doubly so considering that ABS only became mandatory in 2015.

That's why, unlike the car MOT in the bike MOT nonfunctioning ABS is an advisory rather than a refusal. Also why so many bike companies can get away with putting ABS override buttons on their bikes that disconnect the system.

I'd be interested to see the story behind the guy supposedly being pinched for it.


As I'm sure you know, many BMW owners and non franchised specialists routinely disable and/or remove the ABS system, with no ill effects, it's hardly ever cost effective to repair it.

And you are correct, faulty ABS is not (currently) an MOT fail for bikes, it's actually specifically mentioned as an advisory only, obviously unless it effects brake performance to the extent it falls below the minimum standard.

OP, I'm not going to bother typing my usual response, I'll just leave this here:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=301078
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because something is MOT legal doesn't mean it is road legal which is why you have the CU points code. CU is Construction and Use regs.

Just remembered this thread.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably, that's why people remove it completely, if it's not fitted, it can't be said to be faulty?
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Presumably, that's why people remove it completely, if it's not fitted, it can't be said to be faulty?


I think that's the crux of it. If the pump is there then the lever activates the pump, which if it's faulty might not act as a servo for the brakes. If it's not there at all it just means that you have a conventional brake. You might a have a spongy lever though if the lever rate/piston size for the servo is different to what's required for the caliper.
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