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NJD
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 07 May 2015    Post subject: Motherboard Upgrade - Help? (See bottom comment) Reply with quote

As title suggests maximum ram my motherboard can hold?

HP - M2N68-LA (Narra 6)
Manual: https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c01925534

OS - Windows 7 Professional x64

Current Ram - 3GB Total = 1x2GB, 1x1GB (as far as I'm aware PC ram runs with the "weakest chain in the link method" ie; my pc is only running as fast as the 1GB stick allows it to, so as you can imagine being a few years old it's a little outdated and on the slower side in terms of performance with basic games, photoshop, rendering videos in sony vegas etc).

I've found RAM that ebuyer sells 8GB = 2x4GB that meets all the requirements on the motherboard specs (NON-ECC, Unbufferd etc) but don't want to purchase if it turns out to be overkill and the motherboard can only handle 4GB.

RAM - https://www.ebuyer.com/274336-corsair-8gb-ddr3-1333mhz-memory-cmv8gx3m2a1333c9

So in summary, the pc spec sheet confuses me and doesn't tell me the max ram on x64 systems, ideas?


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PostPosted: 19:11 - 07 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update - Solved.

Downloaded CPU-Z, found actual motherboard, googled spec sheet.

Result = 4GB Max.

Poor basic budget micro-atx motherboard is basic Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 08 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crucial have a web tool that tells you what you can fit too.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 08 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Crucial have a web tool that tells you what you can fit too.


Thanks.

I came to the conclusion quickly that a new pc build would be cheaper in the long run rather than attempting to add more upgraded parts to an old fossil by today's standards.

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PostPosted: 23:44 - 08 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was looking at upgrades on my current pc too but came to the same conclusion as yourself....Do a new build.

Thinking so far

Motherboard - ASUS H97 PRO GAMER
CPU - i5-4570 (seeing if they'll do a deal for something bigger)
RAM - 8gb Corsair Vengeance
GPU - R9 290x in June when the new cards come out so the 290/290x should go cheaper
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

GetawayDj wrote:
Was looking at upgrades on my current pc too but came to the same conclusion as yourself....Do a new build.


https://uk.pcpartpicker.com

May be of use to yourself just to ensure that there's no compatibility issues in the build, users providing reviews on parts and price matching across several websites.

I have a gaming graphics card already (if not a little older than current ones) so can save money in that way, my (window) shopping list is currently;

Case, Power Supply, Hard Drive (internal), RAM, Motherboard, CPU.

I think attempting to buy an entire new OS is the most expensive and "do I really need this" part of the build imo.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already use that site, pretty good to have access to.

I can get parts cheaper than most paces as I live near a warehouse shop that sell them all, Aria. Its about 10 minutes away from me.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be late, but I recommend you to get a new MB. The fact that the PCB has space for 4 RAM slots and it's got only 2 should tell you how cheap the MB actually was.

An alright MB is about 50 pounds, and you already own the rest.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
An alright MB is about 50 pounds, and you already own the rest.


https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A78LMUSB3/

- Supports AMD Athom II Series (I have a AMD Athlon II X3 440 - uk part picker shows no compatibility issues)

- Same size as current motherboard (9.6 x 9.6 inches)

- Compatible with graphics card

Questions

- CPU-Z shows current RAM as "PC3 - 10700 (667MHz).. I assume that they're not compatible with the asus board and therefore would need to buy RAM that is compatible before it's useable?

- Do I assume that the HDD and PSU connectors will fit into the asus board?

- Can you just unscrew one board and put the new one in and away you go (after connecting everything) ie; does it boot up computer and work straight away?

*head hurts from hours of compatibility research*
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer is sort of / sometimes.

Long answer is - it depends on what HDD controller / chipset your old board had.

Chances are, if it was an INTEL based chipset and the new one is ... and you were running in SATA non raid mode .... you *might* get lucky.

Anything else is blind luck and if it works, great. I'd prepare yourself for a reinstall at worst Smile

Long as the cards etc are the same board connectors, physically you should be fine as long as you didn't buy a full size ATX board for a baby ATX case .......
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
Anything else is blind luck and if it works, great. I'd prepare yourself for a reinstall at worst Smile


Forgive me, my IT know-how has cobwebs by now.

I assume you mean a complete format of the HDD to make it work with the new motherboard?

UncleBFester wrote:
physically you should be fine as long as you didn't buy a full size ATX board for a baby ATX case .......


New motherboard = uATX
Current motherboard = Micro ATX

I'm advised they're the same thing, both have the same dimensions and are as I'm aware it seems like uATX is just a different form factor name ASUS give it.

UncleBFester wrote:
Long answer is - it depends on what HDD controller / chipset your old board had.


Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430

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https://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docLocale=en_US&docId=emr_na-c01925534
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

New chipset looks like an Nforce one ... so same manufacturer ... you *might* get lucky.

remember - if you boot it and it fails with a bluescreen - you do NOT want to format that drive to set it up from scratch unless you have backups of your stuff.

At that point i'd buy a new 256Gb SSD and set windows up from new.

Comes down to budget / skill / time i suppose.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
New chipset looks like an Nforce one ... so same manufacturer ... you *might* get lucky.


New motherboard chipset : AMD 760G (780L)/SB710

I've checked compatibility with the CPU and it supports the entire AMD Athlon II series, or does the chipset question relate to something else?

UncleBFester wrote:
remember - if you boot it and it fails with a bluescreen


Back up before attempting a change onto an external hard drive, the only thing I'd need to keep "really" would be the OS Windows 7 key would it not, everything else (when you think about it) is really just personal choice and can all (in theory) be re-downloaded.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok - the numbnuts way around this is as follows.

If you can get all your data off beforehand - then do that and set windows up from scratch.

The issue you are going to have is that you may not have a Windows OEM DVD that goes with the OEM serial number you had on the original machine.

You lose nothing by seeing if it boots .... but take the backup so that if worst comes to the worst, you just reinstall.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
You lose nothing by seeing if it boots .... but take the backup so that if worst comes to the worst, you just reinstall.


I only have the OS Key as it was a free code from when I was studying on a Microsoft course, I don't have the original OS Key that came with the machine.

BSOD = Purchase new HDD and install windows on that.

I assume my current HDD could then be plugged in as a secondary with all my current files on.

In regards to the PSU / HDD connectors.

(Based on google image) the connector looks like a 1 x 24 pin atx, new motherboard has a 1 x 24 pin eatx (power connector) I assume compatible?

And from what I can tell the HDD connector is sata, it's definatly not ide.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
I have a AMD Athlon II X3 440 - uk part picker shows no compatibility issues)


There is no point updating a motherboard for this CPU. It's a gimped Phenom II which is seriously old hat now in itself (if you are really lucky you may unlock the extra core and turn yours in too a phenom II X4 B40). You may gain the ability for more RAM but if you are gaming/doing anything CPU intensive that CPU (and if your GPU is equally as ancient that too) are your problem.

You'll outperform that old Athlon with a cheap Ivybridge i3 sat on a budget b75 board.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
You'll outperform that old Athlon with a cheap Ivybridge i3 sat on a budget b75 board.


As suspected, computer was probably marketed as a budget home / office pc and isn't anywhere what I (at this point in time) would like to use it for.

Buying bit by bit over time seems like the best next option.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:


Buying bit by bit over time seems like the best next option.


Look at used on eBay if you are on a budget, you can pick up some older but still solid rigs for not a lot.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 09 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Look at used on eBay if you are on a budget, you can pick up some older but still solid rigs for not a lot.


Budget (thankfully) at the moment isn't an issue, however an upgraded pc is a luxury over a necessity.

Small investments and doing it myself make more sense at the moment as I'd rather get my full license out the way first before I can relax and spunk money on everything else.

Will defiantly take a look at what's on offer though Thumbs Up
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