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Big_g78
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 13 May 2015    Post subject: Brake pads Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure this subject has cropped up elsewhere but hey-ho! My Gilera Coguar 125 is running standard front and rear brakes (front disc, rear drum) albeit with Goodrich braided brake line on the front. The rear drum is fine but the fronts never filled me with as much confidence as I'd like. I've read online about EBC organic pads being good for town commuting, but others have said about sintered pads, but I've no idea! Any help will be gratefully received
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 14 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm far from being an expert on such matters (reading most workshop threads for me is like reading something in a foreign language). Sad

However, I've used both EBC organic and sintered front brake pads on my 125 and tbh there isn't a huge amount of difference that is noticeable between them, not on 125's anyway.

The sintered ones tend to have a little more bite to them and will last a bit longer too, which is why I use them. I tend to use EBC organic for the rear though, as it's hardly ever used and it's not the place you want more bite on really, it's easy enough to lock the back wheel up as it is.

Remember to go easy on the brakes after you've changed them too, as they'll need to bed in. This goes for both types of pads or you'll end up Hurt
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 14 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Agreed
Sounds to me as though you may do better stripping and cleaning the front caliper rather than worrying too much about the pad type (I'll not use organics again as I found that they wore out much quicker than the sintereds - at least, they did on the rear of a big beast)
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The front brake has been the same since I've had it, so for the sakes of £16 or whatever it is I thought I'd just try decent pads, the rear drum brake is fine as it is
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
The front brake has been the same since I've had it, so for the sakes of £16 or whatever it is I thought I'd just try decent pads, the rear drum brake is fine as it is


Just because it's felt poor on the performance side since you've had it doesn't mean to say that it didn't need cleaning when you bought the bike.
The front brake is the one that you should rely upon most and just slipping a new set of pads in there may do the trick but I would strongly recommend that every time you change the pads you give the caliper a damn good clean - especially on a tiddler, as the pads tend to last an age. My 1100 goes through a front set at least once a year and, thus, has an annual clean as well.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad, I should've mentioned I've owned the bike from new
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
My bad, I should've mentioned I've owned the bike from new


I did wonder but dismissed that thought because not many keep a 125 for more than a decade. So, out of interest, when was the front caliper last serviced?
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above, total overhaul of the caliper, new brake pads (sintered) & new brake fluid.

I expect, once done, you will be pleasantly surprised.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I bought the bike new, used for 6 months then put it in storage for winter then literally forgot about it as I moved house so wasn't receiving the road tax notices! The friend who was storing it for me found it a week or so ago and asked if I still wanted it, which as I'm changing jobs therefore losing the company van, seemed a good idea to put back on road to use for commuting. The front brake has been fully serviced (stripped/rebuilt/new fluid) I'm not changing the hose as its a stainless braided one. So I was just wondering what pads would be best, as from new I wasn't overly confident with it
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
Yeah, I bought the bike new, used for 6 months then put it in storage for winter then literally forgot about it as I moved house so wasn't receiving the road tax notices! The friend who was storing it for me found it a week or so ago and asked if I still wanted it, which as I'm changing jobs therefore losing the company van, seemed a good idea to put back on road to use for commuting. The front brake has been fully serviced (stripped/rebuilt/new fluid) I'm not changing the hose as its a stainless braided one. So I was just wondering what pads would be best, as from new I wasn't overly confident with it


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PostPosted: 23:17 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it matters, I forgot about the bike due to splitting up with ex, losing the house and car and also my mother in law and sister in law passing away.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
If it matters, I forgot about the bike due to splitting up with ex, losing the house and car and also my mother in law and sister in law passing away.


Sorry for your loss.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's that old, replace brake lines. With braided steel ones. Venhill will sort you out if it's not an off the shelf item.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dave.
Will the braided hose have deteriorated then? I thought they had quite a long life span?
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
Thanks Dave.
Will the braided hose have deteriorated then? I thought they had quite a long life span?


My unbraided rear hose is over 20 years old, the bike has nearly 50,000 miles on it and the original rubber hose is still good (and, unlike some on here, I do believe in using my rear brake so it does get used often enough to know if it's still good!).

Your braided hose will most likely be fine but before you throw any significant money at it, service caliper and (obviously as it'll all fall out) renew fluid.
If the pads have been sat for a long time without being used then it'd be a good idea to have a look and see if they are still well bonded to their backs, otherwise if there's plenty of meat on them and no sign of contamination I'd leave them be - personally I might rough them up a bit with a file but that's more of a personal preference thing.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hose looks spot on, I've rebuilt the caliber and completely flushed the system with new fluid, for the sakes of £15 I might just bung a set of new sintered EBC pads in for good measure
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 18 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_g78 wrote:
YI moved house so wasn't receiving the road tax notices!


Expect a nice bunch of bribe letters once you re-tax it then. For failure to SORN Laughing
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