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Seventiesboy
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Mod 2 fail Reply with quote

Not a happy topic for my first post here but failed Mod 2 this morning. Overtaking a van on dual carriageway and a mini travelling vv fast had to brake behind me after I pulled out for the overtake. I was doing 70, she must have been 90+ as when I did my obs and signal she was way far behind.
Otherwise bob on.
Bit pissed but booked again for two weeks.
Felt I rode well but knew that because she had braked, irrespective of her approach speed, that I would fail.
Know what to expect next time.

Wish me luck.

Oh, and "hi" by the way Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum! Very Happy

As for Mod 2 - It's always best to play it safe. Next time, wait for a big enough gap in the traffic that you know you won't be obstructing another vehicle in. I don't think you will fail if you don't [have the chance to] overtake on the dual-carriageway, you may however get a minor or two but a pass is a pass! Better luck next time! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it sucks balls that no matter what the other driver is doing, if they have to brake or change direction due to your actions then you fail. You might get lucky, have a sympathetic examiner and be given the benefit of the doubt.. Or he may be two cars behind and simply not see it.

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I don't think you will fail if you don't [have the chance to] overtake on the dual-carriageway..


Pretty sure they can only give you a minor if you don't take a sure-fire overtake opportunity and sit behind a slow-mover on the left. Not sure how they see it if you do it repeatedly however.. Same with bus lanes.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to overtake on your mod 2 unless the car you're behind is doing silly slow and the overtaking lane is clear

You done goofed, suck it up

I over took one on my mod 2 who was doing 40 in a 70 and even then I gave it some thought before doing it
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Re: Mod 2 fail Reply with quote

Seventiesboy wrote:
Not a happy topic for my first post here but failed Mod 2 this morning. Overtaking a van on dual carriageway and a mini travelling vv fast had to brake behind me after I pulled out for the overtake. I was doing 70, she must have been 90+ as when I did my obs and signal she was way far behind.
Otherwise bob on.
Bit pissed but booked again for two weeks.
Felt I rode well but knew that because she had braked, irrespective of her approach speed, that I would fail.
Know what to expect next time.

Wish me luck.

Oh, and "hi" by the way Very Happy


Welcome to the forum and good luck on the next test!

When you overtake it should not take you more than 3-5 seconds. If you are travelling with 70mph and the van was say with 60mph that means you move about 5 meters per second faster than the van, that means that for 5 seconds you will travel forward in front 25 meters, that is plenty of distance to overtake. If the mini was doing say 120 mph that means he is travelling with 50 mph faster then you or about 22 meters per second faster. For the 5 seconds that you would have needed to overtake completely he would travel 110 meters. Means in most pesimistic scenario he was actually closer then 110 meters in order to need to brake. If he was driving with 90mph the speed difference is only 20mph (means only 9m/s faster) and for 5 seconds the distance to you was less then 50 meters. That does not sound very far behind.

Play it safe next time and leave 150 meters for oncoming cars. That means that somebody need to drive with 140 mph in order to be able to catch you when overtaking.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree it is just my own stupid fault, realise how important it is to ride for myself not what I think the examiner wants.

Useful learning experience, at least everything else was fine Very Happy

I'll just learn from this, ride more conservatively next time and nail the sucker then.

Booked for 5 June, same place.

The examiner is fine, no complaints at all.

Thanks for the comments
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best of luck for the 5th June!!
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx I appreciate that
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there a need to overtake at all? If you're on mod2, don't give them any reason to fail you. If the guy in front is doing 65/70, that's close enough to the limit that overtaking is not necessary..

Once you pass, it's not such a problem, but as its something that will instantly fail you (causing someone else to change speed or direction) why take the chance Idea

Good luck for your next one Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh I totally agree and that is exactly what I'll do next time. Ride for myself not what I think someone else wants.

My instructor had hammered in to me and the other guy sitting yesterday that the examiner will expect you to get up to 70 and overtake if the opportunity arises. To the point that during my last lesson the other pupil was leading, doing 60 and the instructor overtook him to make the point!
So the seed of doubt was planted, I went for the overtake, crashed and burned and next time will be happy to sit behind white-van-man at 60 and relax knowing that I won't be bothered if I get a minor.

Lesson learnt and as I say my own stupid fault for not riding defensively and trying to overthink the situation. Nerves can get in the way sometimes.

I am treating yesterday's test as a lesson so that I know next time exactly what they want.
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