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PostPosted: 17:49 - 20 May 2015    Post subject: BBC Scotland news, fail. Scotrail strikes. Reply with quote

So BBC Scotland news reported that there may be disruption due to potential strike action by workers. Not once did they report on what the strike was about. Balanced news? Anyone who thinks the been is on the left must be nuts. It was such a blatant omission.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 20 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:36 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Re: BBC Scotland news, fail. Scotrail strikes. Reply with quote

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Not once did they report on what the strike was about.


Let me guess, they want more money?

May as well save bandwidth.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unions raging... that'll increase public support for Labour. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

4000 people protested outside their office and the didn't report that
what do you expect Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4000 people protested outside their office and the didn't report that
what do you expect Thumbs Up


Its the "if its not on telly it didn't happen" syndrome.
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most information I got from the news is that they want their pay to rise fairly.

People argue that they're just greedy and want more money. I read that they had their pay frozen for four years of inflation, so essentially their wages don't go as far as they did in 2010, and that's the issue.

The reason it makes the headlines is because rail services affect the nation, and then the nation gets pissed off about it. If something like the national union of roof tile installation labourers went on strike, I'm sure the public would more readily take the side of the strikers.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

The reason it makes the headlines is because rail services affect the nation, and then the nation gets pissed off about it. If something like the national union of roof tile installation labourers went on strike, I'm sure the public would more readily take the side of the strikers.


The public need information to form an opinion though. Regardless wether they support the workers actions. Seemed to me not reporting the whole story instead choosing just to report the potential for disruption was blatantly stirring anti-union feelings.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no shortage of information about the greedy unions and the chaos they intentionally cause with (the threat of) their strikes.

It's really fucking blindingly obvious that news reports about the Unions will create strong anti-union feelings. The unions know that, that's exactly what they set out to do. They don't have any argument based on logic or reasoning or anything like that, the only thing they've got going for them is their ability to hold the country to ransom. Which is just the same as Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP buddies. Wink

Anyway, once the new anti-strike laws come through we won't have to put up with unions trying to tear the country apart. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew when I made the thread people would weigh in with their pro or con views on unions. That's not the point of my op. The point is how much goes on that's not reported by the mainstream news.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The point is how much goes on that's not reported by the mainstream news.

People don't care that the unions are bawwwwwwwwwwwwwing about wanting more money and that's why it's not reported.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
King Rat wrote:
The point is how much goes on that's not reported by the mainstream news.

People don't care that the unions are bawwwwwwwwwwwwwing about wanting more money and that's why it's not reported.


Well you can be forgiven for thinking that given the twisted reporting.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Rat wrote:
Well you can be forgiven for thinking that given the twisted reporting.


nothing new there, BBC is not free and unbiased as they claim to be Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
It only makes the news because it has a chance of causing major disruption to people's bank holiday travel pans.
If a company in the private sector doesn't give a pay rise as big as the employees want, should this make national news too?


Reporting the cause of the disruption should have been part of reporting the potential for disruption.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
King Rat wrote:
Well you can be forgiven for thinking that given the twisted reporting.


nothing new there, BBC is not free and unbiased as they claim to be Thumbs Up


Its hardly left wing either as some people try and claim.
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

Luckily, the union retards forced Red Ed as Liebor leader. Yeah that worked. If they'd let the party itself pick a leader, they'd probably be in power now, bankrupting us at a record level. Smile


I'd honestly take you more seriously if you stopped using playground insults like 'liebor'.

Also I'm surprised by how evil you think unions and 'social' thinkers seem to be.

I'm pretty sure it's only ever been the left wing types who fought for, well, pretty much all the working liberties we have today. Fair wage, paid annual leave, maternity pay, secure working contracts (oh wait they've been chipped down to zero hour things now). And then there's all the other stuff, also done by people uniting 'socially' for the greater good - equal rights, women's rights, voting rights, etc. All this comes under the same umbrella and I think to dismiss any of it as silly left wing thinking is very closed-minded.
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PostPosted: 06:02 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I think is funny is left-leaning people say:"this terrible right biased BBC". Then right-leaning people say:"this terrible left biased BBC".

Now trying to avoid the logical fallacy of appeal to moderation, maybe they are doing a reasonable job? Or more likely they have an agenda (as all media outlets do) and supporting that agenda means some articles end up with right-bias and some articles end up with left-bias.

Of course thinking in simple left vs right terms doesn't actually get very far as the political landscape has at least two axes (or a cube by some systems too even), a fact which is no doubt exploited by mainstream politics.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they want a pay rise in line with inflation... that would equate to no pay rise.

Railway unions in particular have been on the gravy train for far too long. Too many people doing fuck-all for too much money.

Same thing was happening at the Grangemouth refinery, I know people who were "working" there and frankly, it took the piss the deal they were getting. The peole who were running it thought so to and told them if they went out on strike one more time, the factory would be shut down, production moived overseas and they'd all be made redundant.

Many Railway workers, like public sector workers, don't know how lucky they are with the deal they have and would be well advised to keep their heads down in my oppinion. They are lucky they work in a sector that "can't" be allowed to shut down or they might find their bluff being similarly called.

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So yeah. Boo. Hoo. Hoo. Poor hard-done-by train drivers. Don't be fooled by my deeply cynical tone and expression, I'm crying inside for them.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
If they want a pay rise in line with inflation... that would equate to no pay rise.

Railway unions in particular have been on the gravy train for far too long. Too many people doing fuck-all for too much money.

Same thing was happening at the Grangemouth refinery, I know people who were "working" there and frankly, it took the piss the deal they were getting. The peole who were running it thought so to and told them if they went out on strike one more time, the factory would be shut down, production moived overseas and they'd all be made redundant.

Many Railway workers, like public sector workers, don't know how lucky they are with the deal they have and would be well advised to keep their heads down in my oppinion. They are lucky they work in a sector that "can't" be allowed to shut down or they might find their bluff being similarly called.

Train driver. 35 hour week. £20-30k as a trainee. £35-60k as a qualified driver (so no student loans there). Require a GCSE level education to start as a trainee. Level 2 NVQ as a qualified driver.

So yeah. Boo. Hoo. Hoo. Poor hard-done-by train drivers. Don't be fooled by my deeply cynical tone and expression, I'm crying inside for them.


Don't know how lucky they are? Or have been smart enough to get themselves a good deal?
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't know how lucky they are? Or have been smart enough to get themselves a good deal?


Is smart the same as ruthless and taking advantage by ransom these days then?
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Rat wrote:

Don't know how lucky they are? Or have been smart enough to get themselves a good deal?


They've got a good deal and aren't smart enough to realise it. Eventually people working in the private sector will realise this and what little support there is for rail strikes will evaporate altogether.

Always on a bank holiday weekend too...
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
King Rat wrote:


Don't know how lucky they are? Or have been smart enough to get themselves a good deal?


Is smart the same as ruthless and taking advantage by ransom these days then?


Dunno speak to the directors of HSBC.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 24 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
King Rat wrote:

Don't know how lucky they are? Or have been smart enough to get themselves a good deal?


They've got a good deal and aren't smart enough to realise it. Eventually people working in the private sector will realise this and what little support there is for rail strikes will evaporate altogether.

Always on a bank holiday weekend too...


Its not about public support. I doubt anyone expects support from anybody outside their own group. Its about the relationship between the workers and their employer. The customers of the business are only relevant to the employer.
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