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tomupcraft
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Insurance NCD Reply with quote

Just wondering whether anybody knows if you can add a NCD, say, one or two months into a new policy?

Currently have about 8 weeks left on my policy for my 125, at the end of this policy I will have 1 years NCD.

Will probably have a new bike within the next week or two and it's looking like it may be almost as cheap to insure for a full year with a different company, than change my policy to the new bike for the final month.

If I do this, can I then put the 1 years NCD that I'll receive from my first policy onto the second policy around ~ 6 weeks later after the second starts?
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
You cant use a no-claims-discount you don't have to take out a policy, and you don't have it, until your existing policy expires, without a claim, and the ins-co 'offer' you the discount.
When you take out the new policy, without NCD, you are entering into a contractual agreement; they offer to accept financial liability, you offer them money.
What you are asking them to do, is take your money, now, then in a few weeks time, change the deal, and give you a chunk back, because... you have become eligible for a 'discount' they didn't offer you at the time you made the contract.

Be a bit like buying a tin of beans from the super-market, then a week later that same supermarket pushing an 'offers' leaflet through your door, clipping the 10p 'off' coupon from it, and going into the shop and asking for your 10p, cos you bought the beans a week before you got the coupon! they wouldn't do it, would they? they'd tell you to buy another tin of beans and THEN they'd give you the 10p off that!

You either wait until current policy expires, and take out policy on new bike; or you let the bonus 'go'. You could try insuring new bike, and using the cooling off period to cancel it, when you get NCB through then take out another, but liklihood is that the pro-rata charges for insurance used and admin charges for dealing with it, likely to cost you more than you'd 'save' from new policy using the NCD.
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tomupcraft
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh, okay, I thought it may have been like, when you change your bike mid-term, or you go from a provisional to a full licence you're premium may go up, or down and therefore if it decreased you'd be in for a small refund which was the case when I passed my tests.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though looking at it from a 12 month perspective it might seem alot cheaper to go with another company, is it much to swap the bike over on the same policy for the last 2 months?

If it is an extra £500 for the year if you stay with your current insurer, that's only £80 you will be charged for the 8 weeks left.

I know £80 is £80 but you may save more than that on your next policy with your 1 years NCD.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

FuzzyBallz wrote:
Even though looking at it from a 12 month perspective it might seem alot cheaper to go with another company, is it much to swap the bike over on the same policy for the last 2 months?

If it is an extra £500 for the year if you stay with your current insurer, that's only £80 you will be charged for the 8 weeks left.

I know £80 is £80 but you may save more than that on your next policy with your 1 years NCD.


I haven't rang up and asked how much it would be yet, which I will do in the next couple of days. I just got a quote online at how much it would have been to insure the new bike with the company I'm with now as if that's what I had when I first took the policy out. The quote ended up just shy of a grand. But If I was to take a year policy out on the bike with a different company before my NCD becomes available it would be around £380 for the new bike. If I wait until the first policy finishes then take out a new policy using the NCD it will be around £290, but then I will also have to pay however much it will cost to change the bike on my first policy + £25 fee.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the head says wait until the policy finishes...

..but the heart wins most of the time!
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 31 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask your insurer.

Even if you don't get a discount from it, just having it recorded on your policy will stop it getting lost or having to explain why it hasn't been used next time you take out a policy.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I got in contact with my insurers just now, and apparently my 'underwriter wouldn't be able to insure me on this vehicle'. This was for both the fazer and an SV650.

I was then told, in response to whether I could change bike on my policy 'You are allowed to change but some bikes will have terms such as minimum ages, or minimum number of years driving experience etc. So it's not terms applied to your policy but to these particular vehicles we've been looking at.'

So now unless I do the tedious process of chatting to the support guy and getting him to quote the change of bike individually, I'm none the wiser of which bikes my insurance would allow.

Therefore, it basically has come down to either starting a new policy before this one finishes, or keeping my bike until this policy finishes.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomupcraft wrote:
So I got in contact with my insurers just now, and apparently my 'underwriter wouldn't be able to insure me on this vehicle'. This was for both the fazer and an SV650.

....

Therefore, it basically has come down to either starting a new policy before this one finishes, or keeping my bike until this policy finishes.


When you looked at quotes from other firms did you actually speak to an adviser to confirm that they would be able to cover you on a larger machine?
Something else that you'll have to get used to is finding cheap quotes on a comparison site which, when you click through to the company offering those quotes, aren't anywhere near the 'quoted' figure Sad

Presumably you are a younger driver in which case, as previously recommended, it'd probably be wise to hold back until your current policy 'expires' so you can make full use of your NCD without chopping and changing policies (if you change insurers make certain to let them know as some insurers will renew your policy unless you tell them otherwise, especially if you've been paying in instalments)

Also note that paying an insurance policy monthly does not usually mean that you can cancel mid term without continuing to pay the full annual cost (ie the policy may be cancelled but the payments won't be) - meaning that if you take a policy and change it to another after two months you may well end up paying for two policies or risk getting chased through the courts for it!!!
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
tomupcraft wrote:
So I got in contact with my insurers just now, and apparently my 'underwriter wouldn't be able to insure me on this vehicle'. This was for both the fazer and an SV650.

....

Therefore, it basically has come down to either starting a new policy before this one finishes, or keeping my bike until this policy finishes.


When you looked at quotes from other firms did you actually speak to an adviser to confirm that they would be able to cover you on a larger machine?
Something else that you'll have to get used to is finding cheap quotes on a comparison site which, when you click through to the company offering those quotes, aren't anywhere near the 'quoted' figure Sad

Presumably you are a younger driver in which case, as previously recommended, it'd probably be wise to hold back until your current policy 'expires' so you can make full use of your NCD without chopping and changing policies (if you change insurers make certain to let them know as some insurers will renew your policy unless you tell them otherwise, especially if you've been paying in instalments)

Also note that paying an insurance policy monthly does not usually mean that you can cancel mid term without continuing to pay the full annual cost (ie the policy may be cancelled but the payments won't be) - meaning that if you take a policy and change it to another after two months you may well end up paying for two policies or risk getting chased through the courts for it!!!


Is this a new thing in?

I've always paid my insurance monthly and I cancelled a policy a few years back for my car because they were a rip off when I got a new car so just bit the bullet and lost however many months of NCD I had built up on that policy. I had to pay £30 admin fee but the insurance was cancelled and I got refunded for the remainder of the month that I had already paid.

The past couple of years I have noticed that if you pay monthly, it actually goes to a credit company rather than paying the insurance company directly, to which yes you are right it says in the contract of agreement that you are to pay the remainder if you cancel., just like a phone contract.

Another way of getting the most they can from us I suppose.
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tomupcraft
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ran a ninja250r through them, 2009, and this time they said the underwriter will not insure because the bike has a 'minimum age' requirement to meet before they would insure.

What the hell?!

I'm 20, have an A2 licence, and yet can't change my bike over to a 250.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its the under writer

Some won'tinsure more then a 125

So pass test buy a bigger bike and ya fucked

So ccan't cancel and get a refund as you are out of cooling off but need to insure new bike
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the same with cars, you can pass your test at 17 but can't get insured on certain cars with certain companies until you're 25.

Just have to either wait or bite the bullet and throw the last 10 months down the drain.
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mentalboy
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

FuzzyBallz wrote:
mentalboy wrote:


...Also note that paying an insurance policy monthly does not usually mean that you can cancel mid term without continuing to pay the full annual cost


Is this a new thing in?

I've always paid my insurance monthly and I cancelled a policy a few years back for my car because they were a rip off when I got a new car so just bit the bullet and lost however many months of NCD I had built up on that policy. I had to pay £30 admin fee but the insurance was cancelled and I got refunded for the remainder of the month that I had already paid.

The past couple of years I have noticed that if you pay monthly, it actually goes to a credit company rather than paying the insurance company directly, to which yes you are right it says in the contract of agreement that you are to pay the remainder if you cancel., just like a phone contract.

Another way of getting the most they can from us I suppose.


Hence why I said 'usually'. And yes, it's because when you pay in instalments most of the time you are actually paying back a loan that has already covered the cost of the annual premium plus interest. I have not yet heard of a bike insurer who will waive the remaining monthly payments but that doesn't mean to say that they don't exist.

Generally speaking, it is safe to assume that if you have bought insurance at the cheaper end of the scale then you will have fewer options available to alter the terms once it has been running a while
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