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PostPosted: 16:39 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: DAS (A2) Training - (need advice, update) Reply with quote

So back to the local training school I went this morning (felt like my CBT all over again) expected to be driven to the test pad with the bikes in the van to practice Module 1 and instead got more bang for my buck (in terms of training) than I could of planned for, turned out that there where two people doing their CBT so using the 125cc's to start out with wasn't an option, short brief and on to the open roads with my trusted GS 500 it was.

First impressions:

Arrow Dat powah do
Arrow Rolling of the throttle is more then enough to slow you down
Arrow Rear disc brake, using rear brake in 1st gear only, oh wow I can actually feel the rear brake
Arrow Oh a national speed limit, hello power

Managed not to drop the bike all day although did have one close call turning from one side road into another, wrong gear saw the bike stall mid turn (oops), instructor was ahead with other pupil and didn't see, wheey (although a local young goof ball did, race bike init, u w0t m8).

Only other one was not showing signs of slowing down when a traffic light changed to amber as I approached it (went through it instead) got away with it because I crossed on amber, that and I was still getting used to the bike so was easier to pull up in a safe place (in a red route, eerm what, got away with that).

Oh and becoming a hazard by using the overtake lake on a national speed limit doing only 55mph, got away with it due to getting used to the power of the bike (that and I had my fucking visor open, doh), although was advised to get used to the power I had underneath me to prevent zed situation.

Any other fault was made up for by my "firm and positive" shoulder / mirror checks.

One hour on the Module 1 test pad in the afternoon (after having my face blow off on national speed limits), managed the emergency stop first time (correct speed) and didn't need to try it more than once, had to try the hazard avoidance a handful of times and got up to speed on the 4/5th attempt and then attempted again (the other way) after other pupil had a go and managed to get up to speed on second and third attempt (took another go for the lulz).

Summary: Half a day more and I'm test ready, not bad for 6 months riding on a tiddler, having never ridden anything more than the CBT bike and my chinky 8bhp (of which wont be mine if I pass tests soon) Rolling Eyes

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TL;DR = CBT > DAS > Powerful bike(/thread).


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PostPosted: 18:21 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: DAS (A2) Day 1 Over, 8hp chinese.. lulz wut? Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
Arrow Dat powah do

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PostPosted: 19:18 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: DAS (A2) Day 1 Over, 8hp chinese.. lulz wut? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You've taken your first step into a larger universe.


An addictive one at that.

Module 1:

Ran wide on 1 out of 4 attempts at the u-turn and took 4-5 times to get the method in the madness of the avoidance but got everything else first time with good observations/shoulder checks.

Module 2:

Had a couple of position issues on roundabouts (6 exits) and need to gain confidence and get used to doing 60-70mph on the national speed limits.

6 months on a tiddler, very, very happy that only ½ a day more is recommended before attempting Module 1 = £190 (test included) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get that visor shut and keep it shut. Pinlock or foggy mask if your heavy breathing causes fogging at low speed.

The whole needing to mess with visor thing was holding me back massively when i was learning. Particularly as it added an extra thing to my traffic light routine and it requires left hand which should be on the clutch when stationary.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
Get that visor shut and keep it shut.


Have a K3 SV so already has the pinlock in although some times needs a slight nudge upwards as it can slip down a little, not a problem to do on 30-40mph limits but wouldn't fancy attempting on a national speed limit.

Only had ever done 30-40mph limits and didn't even expect to be doing anything but a days solid of Module 1 training so took everything as it came, not accelerating past 55mph (in the fast lane) could of been due to a few factors, just about easing into the comfort zone with more power and thinking less about it.

I go through mixed emotions with the whole "visor open or closed" motion, spend most of my time riding with it open based on personal preference, I guess there was just so much to think about and focus on all in one day.

Need to phone the school up and get that extra ½ a day booked as soon as possible, woke up this morning got on my bike and I legitimately thought the clutch/bike was broken.

The GS had a much firmer lever and a solid gearbox, also noticed the lack of power in my brakes compared to the GS.. took me a short moment to adjust, also the lack of power is a joke Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the pinlock is slipping then you can turn the pins around to increase the tension on it. However riding with an open visor is not good for your pinkock and probably why it won't stay put.

I've had my hjc come open on me in strong winds at close to 60 as my 125 was doing that day only for the pinlock to be pretty much ripped out by the wind. That was a fun day.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
If the pinlock is slipping then you can turn the pins around to increase the tension on it.


Just tested it out and the pinlock only falls when closing the visor from wide open, attempted to turn both screws clockwise a little and there wasn't much movement (in terms of tightness left) seems to me that the pinlock isn't sticking to the visor at the middle and bottom part.

When I tried the helmet on it was without the pinlock in and didn't get to experience the limited FOV as the K3 SV only has the pinlock in the main area as opposed to the whole visor, probably would have been tempted more by the HJC IS-17 if I'd have known at the time.

One possible solution is to close the visor (before setting off) and then use the button in the middle bottom of the helmet to push the visor open a little, suitable FOV and no slipping (from my very limited sitting in my room test).

Although I suppose if I closed the visor at the begging of the ride and pushed the pinlock up a little and left it closed at all times then no issues could occur.

&. I share the pain, I was going down an A road in wind at 40mph when I went to close my visor and it felt weird (wasn't opening and closing correctly), turned out my base plate had snapped Shocked

I think my first budget FT helmet put me in a bad habit of leaving the visor open all the time (as it had a opening / closing mechanism that required two hands, poor design) for a few months so probably didn't do any good, suppose I just feel more comfortable riding with it open all the time (conditions permitting).
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, if the pinlock is not sealing all the way round, try taking the visor off, putting it on a soft cloth, pulling it slightly flatter and pushing the pinlock higher up the visor.

As for the pins, they are slightly eccentric so you can adjust the pinlock tension, but you might need to push them out to do so.

Yes the max pinlocks on the is17 and shark race visors (amongst others) are better, but a lot of that is down to the recessed visor forcing you to get the visor in first time.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
but a lot of that is down to the recessed visor forcing you to get the visor in first time.


I have attempted to remove mine once, in an attempt to clean the inside of the visor, I assume now they're not meant to be removed as I caused a little tear on one side of the visor (where it holds on the pin) and left it after that Rolling Eyes

Another bit of fiddling and the visor only falls if I close the visor harshly (as I'd been doing) be a bit more gentle and it seems to stay in place.

Another point to be made is that I'm probably comfortable with riding with the visor open because on my 125 I use 30 (40 at most)mph roads, getting up to 55mph (any maybe above) was quite the experience.

Was one bend on the training I took at about 50mph, got on my way to work this morning and swept round a blind bend I'm usually cautions on.. now just to get the other bit of training and tests done before I fall back into the 125 way of riding Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

So popular season is indeed popular, turns out that my original plan of booking saturday as a taster day and then the extra ½ day / test latter on this month is now a no go due to all slots being booked up (a little annoying considering I'd booked holiday from work for test dates provided but meh).

So I've been in contact (with the original intent of booking the extra ½ day and test) with the school and the only dates that work for me and the school (at the moment) are mid - late next month, witch is fine but depends on if work will approve the one day off I need for the date of the Module 1 test and also in hope that no one else books the Module 1 on the day / time I've been provided (of course that day / time is open for anyone to book as I was unable to put down a deposit as I'm unsure if work will agree to my holiday on day that the test is due) between now and work making a decision on my holiday submission.

So all in all my hopes at gaining the A2 license are currently in tatters / will take longer than expected (and that's just booking the dates despite having the money, not to mention passing the tests).

At the moment I need to speak to work and then contact the school and make payment for provided dates (if possible) as soon as possible, however as above that's based on hope, even if work agreed to zed holiday it goes without saying someone could have booked that day / test time, and if that happens then the next dates that they're able to work around me is another month on (August).

TL;DR=

So..

Should I be patient and just wait until there's a time and date that suit me and the training school (if the one I'm currently trying to pay for doesn't work out) or should I consider attempting the Module 1 / 2 on my own 125cc (now that i've undergone some training) in an attempt to gain a full license?

(I'm not bothered if A1 or A2 simply would like a full license so that my theory / cbt certificate don't expire part way through next years insurance, and so that the money spent on theory isn't wasted).

Now that I've undergone some training on a GS 500 and have worked out where I was going wrong on the hazard avoidance (when previously attempting Module 1 on my own 125cc without any training) the only issue I would have (in theory) is getting my Arrow up to the required 30-32mph, although again now that I've had some training I feel I'd be more confident on the whole "speed" issue, but..

Question regarding A1;

(1) Are 60-70mph national speed limits used on the A1 - Module 2.

(my Arrow 125 is only capable of 50-53mph).
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can be taken on NSL roads including dual carriageways. I was.

Strictly speaking, you need a theory pass within the previous 2 years to sit any tests, except for A after 2+ years on A2. So you may have to do theory again if it runs out after you've got A1 but before you've done A.

Considered buying your own A bike and finding a way to get it insured and to and from the test centre?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You can be taken on NSL roads including dual carriageways. I was.


"Sub-category A1 (light motorcycle) - be capable of at least 55mph
source: https://www.gov.uk/motorcycle-practical-test/rules-for-mopeds-and-motorcycles-used-in-the-practical-riding-test"

Since I have a bigger front sprocket this would be possible in ideal conditions (of which summer is) but on roads with 50mph + limit may struggle and could make the instructor think i'm not confident enough and cause me to fail, then could possibly be left have way towards a license with a bike that is incapable of desired speeds for the test.

Although if a safe ride was shown with little to no rider faults would it be possible that the DSA examiner wouldn't fail you based on speeds (if on a NSL road) providing that you stayed in lane 1 and didn't cause a hazard to other road users, surely the examiners now the limits of 125cc's and therefore use different roads?

Rogerborg wrote:
Strictly speaking, you need a theory pass within the previous 2 years to sit any tests, except for A after 2+ years on A2. So you may have to do theory again if it runs out after you've got A1 but before you've done A.


If I was to gain the A1 I'd wait (just to save funds) and go for the A (no A2) in four years time and then be willing to spend whatever money required as it would be the last time needed to get another full license.

I just want to get some form of full license by the end of this year so that my CBT doesn't run out mid way through next year and mid way through an insurance policy (although worse comes to worse I may have to wait to renew insurance and get license out the way first just to be sure).

Rogerborg wrote:
Considered buying your own A bike and finding a way to get it insured and to and from the test centre?


A2, but.. despite being easier in theory it would make more financial sense to continue with the training school and then upgrade to a bigger bike when funds allow once a full license is obtained.
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