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johnte
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Slow riding .. Reply with quote

Any advice on slow riding please ?
I'm thinking about the mod 1 walking pace section. I don't do too badly with the u turn, figure of 8 etc, but can't get away with the straight line slow ride. I get the bike to the correct speed then just wobble about Crying or Very sad
Just can't seem to balance. I'm on the industrial estate practising most evenings - but don't seem to be improving...
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slip the clutch lots, keep the revs high. Use the back brake, not the throttle to control your speed.

So when you move off, you start moving because you eased off on the back brake. The engine should have already been pulling against it. Resist the temptation to let the clutch out or give it more throttle, just let it carry on pulling against a lightly applied rear brake. If you start slowing down, let the brake off more, if you're speeding up, apply it harder.

Keep your head up and looking in the direction you're heading. Pick a target and ride towards it. Don't look at the ground in front of the front wheel, that's not where you're going, it's where you are now. Don't look at the clutch and throttle, they're in the same place they were last time you looked.

Once you've mastered this, all the slow speed manouvers are easy. You are not doing the figure of 8 and u-turn properly if you can't do a slow ride.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike do you have and how long have you been riding?
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johnte
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Slip the clutch lots, keep the revs high. Use the back brake, not the throttle to control your speed.

Once you've mastered this, all the slow speed manouvers are easy. You are not doing the figure of 8 and u-turn properly if you can't do a slow ride.


I don't have problem controlling the speed with throttle / clutch / rear brake, and I seem to be able to balance ok when manoeuvring and turning, it's just the straight line I seem to struggle with.
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johnte
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
What bike do you have and how long have you been riding?


It's a Varadero, and I've been riding about a month.
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NJD
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Slow riding .. Reply with quote

johnte wrote:
mod 1


johnte wrote:
I've been riding about a month.


Are you thinking of attempting Module 1 on your own bike or are you using Module 1 as a reference to explain the type of slow riding your trying to practice?

In honesty the best way to practice is in actual slow moving traffic, the more mistakes you make the quicker you'll learn to correct them.

Another method is the "how high can I make next years insurance" game, get slow moving control wrong and bump into the person in front (I kid, please don't do this).

Keep your head up at all times and gauge what controls you need to adjust by ear and feel in the bike, when out on the road try to keep your eyes as far forward as possible or one car ahead of the one in front of you (that way you don't fixate on the car ahead and also get to react to a car braking two cars ahead effectively preparing to slow down before the car in front knows it needs to).

It all come with time Very Happy
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johnte
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Slow riding .. Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
johnte wrote:
mod 1


johnte wrote:
I've been riding about a month.


Are you thinking of attempting Module 1 on your own bike or are you using Module 1 as a reference to explain the type of slow riding your trying to practice?

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What the plan was (or is) was to do CBT, do Theory (booked for next Friday) then go the direct access route while using my 125 to practice on.
I've just been trying to practice a few of the manoeuvres after watching mod 1 video on YouTube.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Slow riding .. Reply with quote

johnte wrote:
then go the direct access route while using my 125 to practice on.


I understand your theory but...

Yesterday I did my first day of A2 training on a GS 500 (6 months on a 125, never been on something with more power) simple answer is simple: GS 500 / bikes with more power are the way to go.

Everything's much, much easier and the bikes feel like they belong on the road with a sufficient amount of power to get you out of trouble.

johnte wrote:
I've just been trying to practice a few of the manoeuvres after watching mod 1 video on YouTube.


Before doing any training ok but once you've had your first time on a bigger bike you'll realize that there's so many differences that nothing but doing it on a bigger bike will suffice.

Use it at first to get you used to the theory or principal behind each part of the test but don't do it thinking that it's going to be %100 the same on a bike with more power.

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Training school is defiantly the way to go, a good instructor makes the world of difference Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find my Varadero a bit top-heavy, so altering the rear suspension pre-load to the lowest setting might help - then plenty of revs, slip the clutch, rear brake to control speed, and keep off the front brake.

Even if you never get it right on the Varadero, you will find a 600cc machine way easier for the slow stuff.
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, maybe I should just go for it then. Wink

I was just trying to practice a few basic skills first - didn't want to look completely useless when turning up for the course Sad

Theory test this week, so we'll see how that goes first...
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can ride slowly in a straight line - I expect that you do it all the time on the road without any drama.

Same as with the u-turn, don't try and crawl away super slowly. It's not a trials bike exercise. Get a good confident start, then lose a little speed, look where you're going and you'll be done and passed before you know it.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick a point in the distance and look at it
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find looking as far as I can helps, if you're not in a too built up area, look at the line of the horizon.

How fast are you going on your slow ride, you may be trying to go too slow?

If I remember rightly I was told to do around 7mph

I guarantee the instructor will not think of you as "completely useless" if you can't do something, after all, that's why he is training you in the first place
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

FuzzyBallz wrote:


I guarantee the instructor will not think of you as "completely useless" if you can't do something, after all, that's why he is training you in the first place


Good point Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Slip the clutch lots, keep the revs high. Use the back brake, not the throttle to control your speed.


This.

It may sound like you are revving the tits off the bike but don't worry about it... It's not your bike.

Training school bikes are made of magic stuff that can handle learners.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 18 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Slow riding .. Reply with quote

johnte wrote:
Any advice on slow riding please ?
I'm thinking about the mod 1 walking pace section. I don't do too badly with the u turn, figure of 8 etc, but can't get away with the straight line slow ride. I get the bike to the correct speed then just wobble about Crying or Very sad
Just can't seem to balance. I'm on the industrial estate practising most evenings - but don't seem to be improving...


Frankly there is no much point of doing that. The actual big 600cc test bike will handle completely differently.

And by the way different test bike models need different handling. Say IL4 handles completely differently than twin engine ones.

Do yourself a favor and find a training school that have Suzuki SFV 650. Slow riding sorted.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 18 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slow riding?

Avoid doing it. You will get hot.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 19 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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