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Big ups to the Met Massive. 
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out of curiosity what area was it found in?
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I have now been given this reply after they made me pay for the charges:
| Quote: | The current charges were introduced on 1st October 2008, in and an amendment to The Road Traffic Act 1988 (Retention and Disposal of Seized Motor Vehicles) Regulations 2005.
These are the charges that will be applied in your case.
I would like to confirm that the MPS as well as most other police services run compulsory recovery scheme of all the stolen vehicles.
All LOS vehicles are removed under statutory powers as abandoned vehicles
The owner is responsible for the statutory removal and storage charges
This policy was upheld by the Court of Appeal in Lloyds vs City Recovery
Vehicles are NOT removed for forensic examination, but the opportunity to examine the vehicle will be taken, unless the vehicle has been collected in the meantime byt the owner or the insurer.
The following information is available on the MPS website:
You have reported your vehicle to the Metropolitan Police as being lost or stolen.
If your vehicle is found by the Metropolitan Police it will be recovered to a place of safety.
The statutory removal and storage charges must be paid before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
IF YOUR VEHICLE IS FOUND
If you are notified that your vehicle has been found by the Metropolitan Police you should inform your insurance company immediately, if you have made an insurance claim.
Your insurance company may arrange to collect the vehicle on your behalf and pay the charges.
If you collect the vehicle yourself, you will be responsible for payment of the charges.
It is strongly recommended that the vehicle is recovered to garage to be checked for damage and safety before it is driven on the road.
For further information and details of the charges, see the Metropolitan Police web site:
https://content.met.police.uk/Site/vehiclerecovery
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Posted: 13:33 - 17 Jun 2015  Post subject: |
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sounds like that's been tested and failed in the Court of Appeal in Lloyds vs City Recovery
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| Keir wrote: | sounds like that's been tested and failed in the Court of Appeal in Lloyds vs City Recovery |
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1997/2073.html
Well, that's us screwed then.
Their Lordships decided that owners indeed aren't responsible for paying the S102 "charges" for recovery and storage. But if we want the vehicle back, we are obliged to pay the S101 "sums" for... wait for it... recovery and storage. Those are entirely different things because mumble bumble jumble SNAKE! SNAKE!
Decrepit old fossils. It's pretty clear on what their decision is based: that recovering abandoned or stolen cars does not "come free" and that it was a business bringing the case: "there is conflict between the interests of innocent victims of car theft or, perhaps more importantly, their insurers". Sod the taxes that pay for, you know, police and council services.
Well, the good news appears to be that if our vehicles are stolen and recovered, we can just tell the 2nd lot of thieves to go ahead and scrap them and can't be billed for it. Huzzah.
Sorry. We lose. Another reason why if your bike is stolen, then you might as well wish your insurer the best of luck with getting their vehicle back.
Right, I'm off to kick a puppy.
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Another big 'fuck you' to every hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizen.
I wonder if you get free 'recovery charges' if you are on job centre allowance, much like free prescriptions and bus travel 
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When you sell give me a shout please
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Well, all the money they just give away has to come from somewhere.
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Link is not especially SFW.
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To be fair, it's Parliament that's - apparently[*] - said "Stand and deliver,": the Met are just trousering the takings.
[*] Ably assisted by the Court of Appeals Honest to Hannigan, did they not read all the references to S101 in S102?
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Keir wrote: | sounds like that's been tested and failed in the Court of Appeal in Lloyds vs City Recovery |
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1997/2073.html
Well, that's us screwed then.
Their Lordships decided that owners indeed aren't responsible for paying the S102 "charges" for recovery and storage. But if we want the vehicle back, we are obliged to pay the S101 "sums" for... wait for it... recovery and storage. Those are entirely different things because mumble bumble jumble SNAKE! SNAKE!
Decrepit old fossils. It's pretty clear on what their decision is based: that recovering abandoned or stolen cars does not "come free" and that it was a business bringing the case: "there is conflict between the interests of innocent victims of car theft or, perhaps more importantly, their insurers". Sod the taxes that pay for, you know, police and council services.
Well, the good news appears to be that if our vehicles are stolen and recovered, we can just tell the 2nd lot of thieves to go ahead and scrap them and can't be billed for it. Huzzah.
Sorry. We lose. Another reason why if your bike is stolen, then you might as well wish your insurer the best of luck with getting their vehicle back.
Right, I'm off to kick a puppy. |
But most of section 101 which that judgement was based on was repealed by the 2004 Traffic Management Act and section 101 now refers to the 'charges' just like section 102, not the 'sums' mentioned previously. The only mention of 'sums' is in relation to vehicles parked in a civil enforcement area.
Also from section 101A (4)
"In any other case the relevant charges are such sums in respect of the removal and storage of the vehicle as may be prescribed."
As this part was added in 2006 I reckon Mr Judge's 18 year old judgement is clearly no longer relevant, am I right?  |
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Just seen this, interesting that the Met actually have something to back up their charges. I am still waiting on an FOI request from Leicestershire Police about exactly these charges, I should get a reply in a few days when their full month to respond is over.
Keep chasing
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