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PostPosted: 15:39 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Scottoiler Oil Reply with quote

Does anybody here who has a Scottoiler fitted bother switching to the summer/hot weather ( Laughing Crying or Very sad ) weight oil? Is it necessary? I'm guessing not, as they only had the one weight available for quite some time before bringing out the other?
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean red for hot and green for winter?

Wait you actually buy Scotoil rather than use say engine oil in your Scotoiler?

But yes. When I went to Spain I used green and it was all used up (and I used a ghetto made by the side of the road oil tank) by the time I got out of Santander and I switched to the red bottle I had. I could have turned it down a few notches but didn't.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
You mean red for hot and green for winter?

Wait you actually buy Scotoil rather than use say engine oil in your Scotoiler?

But yes. When I went to Spain I used green and it was all used up (and I used a ghetto made by the side of the road oil tank) by the time I got out of Santander and I switched to the red bottle I had. I could have turned it down a few notches but didn't.


Yeah, red bottle for hot.

Just bought the bike and haven't needed to top up yet, so haven't bought anything at all. Engine oil good? I had a feeling it wasn't necessary to spend on the genuine stuff.

Hang on, you're asking me if I actually buy Scottoil as if that's a mug's game, and then saying you used both green and red? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, red bottle for hot.

Just bought the bike and haven't needed to top up yet, so haven't bought anything at all. Engine oil good? I had a feeling it wasn't necessary to spend on the genuine stuff.

Hang on, you're asking me if I actually buy Scottoil as if that's a mug's game, and then saying you used both green and red? Confused



Have a look at my Spain touring thread. It shows you how to make a ghetto big scot-oil tank.

Infact:

https://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p390/ItchyBCF/DSC02333.jpg

I haven't bought Scotoil in what 7 years.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put old engine oil or whatever I can find in mine.

Slippy stuff is slippy.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The blue goop does get quite runny in the hot weather. Fortunately for this particular issue 'hot weather' in Britain is a short lived thing. I just turn mine down and keep my eye on it.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 24 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
I put old engine oil or whatever I can find in mine.

Slippy stuff is slippy.


This. Never bother with the OEM stuff, always used my old oil. Works for tools too!
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

85 or 90 weight gear oil is about £3 a litre and quite a lot thicker than engine oil.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
85 or 90 weight gear oil is about £3 a litre and quite a lot thicker than engine oil.


Code:
                Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C
SAE 85 (gear)   11.0 - 13.5 cSt
SAE 90 (gear)   13.5 - 18.5 cSt
SAE 40 (engine) 12.5 - 16.3 cSt


It's a common misconception.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always used the green/blue scottoil, our summers aren't that hot compared to across the Atlantic or Europe. Always used the genuine scottoil too, for £7ish a bottle and how long it lasts why try and be tight?
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamahampton wrote:
for £7ish a bottle and how long it lasts why try and be tight?


It's £7 a tiny bottle for oil that's literally going to be thrown away after a few minutes of use, that's why I'm tight. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Northern Monkey wrote:
85 or 90 weight gear oil is about £3 a litre and quite a lot thicker than engine oil.


Code:
                Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C
SAE 85 (gear)   11.0 - 13.5 cSt
SAE 90 (gear)   13.5 - 18.5 cSt
SAE 40 (engine) 12.5 - 16.3 cSt


It's a common misconception.


When was the last time your bike chain got to 100C?
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put 5/30 semi synth engine oil in mine. £15 for 5 litres
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

b422063 wrote:
Yamahampton wrote:
for £7ish a bottle and how long it lasts why try and be tight?


It's £7 a tiny bottle for oil that's literally going to be thrown away after a few minutes of use, that's why I'm tight. Laughing


Thrown away after a few minutes? I've done 1000 miles this year and refilled the reservoir up once. One £7 bottle will fill reservoir up 3 or 4 times. I'm using the v system too so uses more.

I'm not trying to be argumentative just stating facts, £7 every 3-4k isn't that bad if you want keep to manufacter guidlines
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamahampton wrote:

I'm not trying to be argumentative just stating facts, £7 every 3-4k isn't that bad if you want keep to manufacter guidlines


But what is it about the genuine stuff that means you need to keep to guidelines? Why is it better than using engine oil or EP90? I don't see it. Admittedly, if it lasts that long, it's not break-the-bank money, but if something cheaper still does the job just as well, why not? Especially when it's something you're likely to have knocking around the garage anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take an educated stab at it. The oil flow rates that the Scotoiler will deliver depend on the viscosity of the oil. Thus their own oil will perfectly match the requirements of the unit. If you use an oil that is thinner or thicker then you will get more or less oil flow, which can cause problems either way. Since they can not be expected to try out every possible option, they will only recommend their own oil. This gives them a commercial benefit too.

Observation of the genuine Scot Oil also leads me to believe it contains a tackifying additive - this will help reduce oil fling. This is different to viscosity, it is about stickiness. Similar things are found in other chain oils (eg chainsaw, wire rope lubes etc). Gear oil and engine oil don't have these.

I'm sure you can use other stuff and work out a suitable flow rate. I use the proper stuff and have just bought my second bottle in around 5 years. My chain and sprockets haven't been changed for.... years - I don't event remember when. I gave the chain a good clean a few weeks ago and every link was free, the chain was not slack and the sprockets were in good shape. And this is using the simple, single-side dispenser onto the rear sprocket.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Observation of the genuine Scot Oil also leads me to believe it contains a tackifying additive - this will help reduce oil fling. This is different to viscosity, it is about stickiness. Similar things are found in other chain oils (eg chainsaw, wire rope lubes etc). Gear oil and engine oil don't have these.


This is the one I have been wondering about, that might make it really worth using the genuine article, but would like to know if it is definitely the case. It certainly doesn't seem to be making much mess at the moment with what looks like the genuine stuff in there.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use old engine old. Still on the original chain and sprockets on my bike with 28k miles on. Loads of adjustment left too.

I have hardly any fling with the flow rate set as per recommendations.
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinematic viscosity at 100C does not always relate to viscosity at ambient temperatures. Engine oils have pour point modifiers and suchlike in order to facilitate winter starting. Consider one might run 10w40 as an engine oil but a straight 80 or 80w90 gear oil.

https://www.doolittleoil.com/sites/default/files/visc_0.jpg
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