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| Ariel Badger wrote: | | thx1138 wrote: | I'll wager OP has been listening to the Infinite Monkey cage today. |
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So tell us about this "Infinite Monkey Cage" thing, and perhaps it will inform the debate here a bit more?
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Pulls out a little chart of a carbon atom -
6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons.
Each red ball represents an oxygen atom, while the grey sticks represent hydrogen atoms.
There are two hydrogens for each oxygen, so the chemical formula is H2O.
https://s1091.photobucket.com/user/AbAeterno123/media/icelattice2_zps3939e1db.jpg.html
Celestial worshiping of 666 has taken place for thousands of years (The God of this world)
https://www.666man.net/666religionhistoryoverview.html
Why do snow crystals have six arms?
https://www.metafysica.nl/ontology/little_book_5.jpg
Why do Giant's causeway rock formations have six sides?
https://0.tqn.com/d/gouk/1/0/G/I/-/-/giantscauseway.jpg
Why does Saturn's hexagonal north pole have six sides?
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ObhffAwhFyQ/TzGx38zjvAI/AAAAAAAAAdI/JEZ4s1dLP3Q/s1600/saturns-hexagon.jpg
Babylonian – Marduk ~ Sun God, or the Devil associated with water, vegetation, judgment, and magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk
The Abzu - Sumerian: abzu; Akkadian: apsû) also called engur - Sumerian: engur; Akkadian: engurru) literally, ab='ocean' zu='deep' was the name for the primeval sea below the void space of the underworld (Kur) and the earth (Ma) above.
Tiamat
In Mesopotamian Religion (Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian and Babylonian), Tiamat is the symbol of the chaos of primordial creation, depicted as a woman,[1] she represents both the beauty of the feminine, depicted as the glistening one,.[2] She is a primordial goddess of the ocean, mating with Abzû (the god of fresh water)
Fallen Angels ~ The Nephilim:- In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot--twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. ◄ 2 Samuel 21:20 ►
"Seraphims" - Keter - Crown Divine Plan.
Satan was called Lucifer and he lived in heaven.
Lucifer was above every other angel in heaven. His appearance was beautiful and dazzling. He radiated light and glory. He was covered with gold and shimmering jewels. Lucifer was the Chief Covering angel and he worked in the throne room of God. https://www.markbeast.com/satan/history-of-satan.htm
The Veda's 3500 years+ of which Hinduism is derived calls this Maya ~ The Malevolent illusion, and the Greek word Cosmos ~ Meaning, "In the world", and according to early Christian gnosticism (("Seraphims" Keter - Crown Divine Plan ~ The Angel of Death (Read John 7:7)) ~ one of two "gods" — A malevolent God in charge of all material things held responsible for all the atrocities in the Old Testament https://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
(And the rising of empires which marched upon Judea)
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The devil marched with Rome.
They Murdered Archimedes who worked out the solar system over 2,000 years ago?(287 BC – c.?212 BC) https://www.antikythera-mechanism.com/
Closed down Greek schools of philosophy and popularized Capitalism/Banking/Bureaucracy/Law/Officialdom – The Left/Right political paradigms and the concept of Time (Pertinent of power which have since instigated and thus by propogated modern Industrialism and Warfare)
The name bank derives from the Italian word banco "desk/bench", used during the Renaissance by Florentine bankers, who used to make their transactions above a desk covered by a green tablecloth.
With the march of Rome this affected the Torah: (Old Testament)
Deuteronomy 23:19 Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest.
They stole the date for Christmas from the Pagans, martyred Jesus and created a false Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus), named after a long since dead Nephilim Giant of The Old Testament (Nikos - Nimod), who lied to and destroyed human beings.
Now kids engage emotionally to find happiness in material things, while some adults continue to seek solace and happiness externally of them selves.
The decline of the Roman Empire led to the Spanish Inquisition (Tribunal established in 1480 by Catholic Monarchs) > People deluded by heretics accusing people of being heretics, which lead to the worst torture of human beings imaginable.
More recently we have terrorists interviewing terrorists. (Not to point fingers but this is how evil works) - Mirrored
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| Diggs wrote: | When you look up at the sky at night, you don't actually see anything. Your brain registers signals sent from your eyes as 'light', which in turn you chose to decipher as solid objects because you are told that this is what they are. In this respect you are going on 'trust' that everything you have been told really exists. Why should astronomy be more trustworthy than the Bible, Koran or Wizzer and Chips? |
The difference between religion and astronomy though is that religion is pure hearsay. There is no proof what so ever, no visual evidence, it's pure "faith", i.e. - you have to believe to have religion.
With Astronomy we can see stars, moons, feel the effects of the sun, we know the earth is round, not flat like most religious belief. We have out of this world objects falling to Earth, we have satellites and have people, telescopes and probes out of our atmosphere showing views of the earth and other planets. These bright stars can be analysed to show their make up and chemical structures.
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Why do you talk about Carbon specifically? There are a whole bunch of other elements that the natural world is composed of. I'd have thought with respect to us being "special" we would look to Iron which without it, we wouldn't have a firmament on which we stand.
Iron has 26 protons and 30 neutrons the electrons differ with regard to its varying oxidation state, lets just use 26 to make the Iron element neutral.
Why then should water be compared?
You also forgot to include, why do bees make hexagonal shapes in their hives?
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| snoosnoo wrote: | | Going wrote: | That's because it's not proven science, only theory  |
Do you even science? Relativity is a theory, gravity is a theory - this is a scientific based conversation so use the words correctly (have discussed the misuse of this term in the past)
I "believe" in Astronomy as much as the conclusions and theories have been made from research which has been peer reviewed and published.
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I think you have to be careful not to trust everything that is deemed to be proven in science. Newton's laws turned out to be wrong, as shown by Einstein and others. We've stuck to using them, because mostly on an Earth scale, they work for us, and are more easily accessible to the majority of non-scientific minds.
Lord Kelvin turned out to be wrong about the age of the Earth, as Rutherford showed. But his were the most popular and believed theories/hypotheses/whatever you want to call them*, for some time.
Do we know what an atom actually looks like? Or do we just use a model that explains the behaviour of the world around us? Much in science is not proven, and with the limitations to our access of the wider universe, I would say that astrophysics is at the outer edge of this.
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I think you have to be careful not to trust everything that is deemed to be proven in science. Newton's laws turned out to be wrong, as shown by Einstein and others. We've stuck to using them, because mostly on an Earth scale, they work for us, and are more easily accessible to the majority of non-scientific minds.
Lord Kelvin turned out to be wrong about the age of the Earth, as Rutherford showed. But his were the most popular and believed theories/hypotheses/whatever you want to call them*, for some time.
Do we know what an atom actually looks like? Or do we just use a model that explains the behaviour of the world around us? Much in science is not proven, and with the limitations to our access of the wider universe, I would say that astrophysics is at the outer edge of this.
*sorry, science interests me, but not sure you could say I had a particularly scientific mind! |
The value of the scientific method though, CS is that it (our understanding) constantly changes. The models we have in place now best describe all the behaviour we witness. When we find different behaviour that cannot be described the model will be altered to absorb that information also.
To say that we believed it all and now we know we were wrong isn't quite correct. It was accepted as describing what we knew. It is constantly evolving.
Do we know what an atom looks like? No. Why? An atom is 99.9999% empty space*. We have X-Ray crystallography which can show us "atoms" spheres and how they are spaced throughout a crystal's structure.
So, I implore you to "trust" current science as that is the cutting edge of knowledge, nobody has ever known as much and in as much detail as we do now. To publish a body of work in a reputable Journal isn't an easy task. The work gets sent to some of the leading minds of that field to ensure no "mistakes" have been made with the theoretical discussion and others repeat the experiments to reproduce results.
*possibly exaggerating but at least 99.9%
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When it is stated that much of science isn't proven, I always ask, what do you consider proof? Repeated experiments which keep showing the expected behaviour is scientific proof and that's how I got taught Chemistry. When we do a reaction with these reagents, this will happen like this. How do we know that though? Repeated experimentation and investigation to identify intermediates and the like.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | Much in science is not proven |
That's why we use words like "hypothesis" for conjectures that haven't been tested yet, and "theory" for those that haven't been disproven - yet.
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When it is stated that much of science isn't proven, I always ask, what do you consider proof? Repeated experiments which keep showing the expected behaviour is scientific proof and that's how I got taught Chemistry. When we do a reaction with these reagents, this will happen like this. How do we know that though? Repeated experimentation and investigation to identify intermediates and the like.
I would say much of science is proven. |
But Newton's laws were considered to be proven? We virtually built the modern world on them, and they work, generally speaking. But when we advanced to further consideration and study of the universe, we discovered that actually, on macro scales, they don't work. There was something fundamentally different going on. I don't know if there are similar examples out there, as I am not a student of science, but this particular example was considered to be pretty much absolute, wasn't it? It was shown to be so in the best science laboratories, with all the testing, retesting and scrutiny you describe.
I am generally in agreement with you, and I take the latest scientific theories I read about and judge, in my limited experience, and if my limited mental capacity allows as much, and if the majority of scientific minds also accept; I judge whether or not I think they seem to work. I just always bear in mind that, as you say, later research and observations may require adjustment of those theories, or even their ultimate rejection for something that is later shown to be more accurate. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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| snoosnoo wrote: | I would say much of science is proven. |
Proof is an imprecise word, which is rather ironic considering the contexts in which it's used.
Thing is, it comes from the Latin probare, which is what them Greek types liked to do to the pretty boys. The actual meaning is to test, and that's all the meaning that should be inferred, particularly when applying it to physical sciences.
Proving a hypothesis just means testing it. If the test agrees with the hypothesis then you go on to call it a theory (others may disagree with your test, or come up with different results).
In that sense, all theories are "proven". They've been probed, tested. But that's all that it means. You can keep probaring them by the back door until they prolapse and are rejected, or relegated to "for spherical cows in a vaccum" pragmatic purposes.
Unlike in mathematics or logic, there's no claim that any amount of testing turns a theory into a fact. Let's leave that to salesmen. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Proof is an imprecise word, which is rather ironic considering the contexts in which it's used.
Thing is, it comes from the Latin probare, which is what them Greek types liked to do to the pretty boys. The actual meaning is to test, and that's all the meaning that should be inferred, particularly when applying it to physical sciences.
Proving a hypothesis just means testing it. If the test agrees with the hypothesis then you go on to call it a theory (others may disagree with your test, or come up with different results).
In that sense, all theories are "proven". They've been probed, tested. But that's all that it means. You can keep probaring them by the back door until they prolapse and are rejected, or relegated to "for spherical cows in a vaccum" pragmatic purposes.
Unlike in mathematics or logic, there's no claim that any amount of testing turns a theory into a fact. Let's leave that to salesmen. |
Which is what I was getting at with the comments regarding repeated experimentation.
CS, I know what you're talking about but Laws aren't as strict as what you might think. For example there are fluids described as non-Newtonian, corn starch and water, when you compress it, it solidifies, you can do that in your kitchen, quite fun. There are non-ideal gases.
But as laymen (me included in all but one topic that I researched) we have to trust the processes that have been put in place. Unless we can repeat every experiment that is described in the literature, we can't check the validity for ourselves.
Like you say, what we know today could be adjusted or rejected BUT that will be in light of new evidence that we don't have right now. Our models, laws, theories, whatever explain all the behaviour we witness now. We cannot say which "thing" we know now will be wrong in the future because that doesn't make sense. We can best explain the properties we can measure. I'm happy with that. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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Why do you talk about Carbon specifically? There are a whole bunch of other elements that the natural world is composed of. I'd have thought with respect to us being "special" we would look to Iron which without it, we wouldn't have a firmament on which we stand.
Iron has 26 protons and 30 neutrons the electrons differ with regard to its varying oxidation state, lets just use 26 to make the Iron element neutral.
Why then should water be compared?
You also forgot to include, why do bees make hexagonal shapes in their hives?
Do you understand the reason for these conformations being favoured or are you just trying to chuck in a number invented by the Catholics to somehow make a connection with a super being? |
What happens to us when we die?
Oooops - Already dead !
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For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
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The Koran itself seems quite clear: "And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself." (2:28).
Buddhism
Avidyā (Sanskrit; Pāli: avijjā; Tibetan phonetic: ma rigpa) is commonly translated as "ignorance" or "delusion".
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He who is forgetful of the Self, mistaking the physical body for it, and goes through innumerable births, is like one who wanders all over the world in a dream. Thus, realizing the Self would only be like waking up from the dreamwanderings.
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| Chuffin Nora wrote: | | Dr. Quack wrote: | Why does Saturn's hexagonal north pole have six sides? |
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