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PostPosted: 13:28 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Can't get my knee down! Reply with quote

Been riding again for about 3 weeks after a long lay off. Never thought about getting my knee down before but have had a few sessions on this corner on my new bike. Can't do it! Crying or Very sad Any tips? Common mistakes?

Yes I want to be a street Rossi.

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:31 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't wait.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Can't get my knee down! Reply with quote

WetAndCold wrote:
Been riding again for about 3 weeks after a long lay off. Never thought about getting my knee down before but have had a few sessions on this corner on my new bike. Can't do it! Crying or Very sad Any tips? Common mistakes?

Yes I want to be a street Rossi.

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Sessions happen on racetracks.

Why are you sat almost upright?
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You Sir, are a disgrace! Anyway, to help you, find a sharper corner or go faster. If you go slow in a blunt corner, you'd have to really, really push your self out of the bike.

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PostPosted: 13:37 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang off more.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Can't get my knee down! Reply with quote

HT wrote:
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Been riding again for about 3 weeks after a long lay off. Never thought about getting my knee down before but have had a few sessions on this corner on my new bike. Can't do it! Crying or Very sad Any tips? Common mistakes?

Yes I want to be a street Rossi.

Pic added for banter and critique
Sessions happen on racetracks.

Why are you sat almost upright?


Does tucking in help for cornering? I thought that was just for getting more speed. But I'm only doing about 40mph on this sharp turn.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
You Sir, are a disgrace! Anyway, to help you, find a sharper corner or go faster. If you go slow in a blunt corner, you'd have to really, really push your self out of the bike.


I know! Haha so shit. Probably need more speed. I'm just too much of a vagine!
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WetAndCold wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
You Sir, are a disgrace! Anyway, to help you, find a sharper corner or go faster. If you go slow in a blunt corner, you'd have to really, really push your self out of the bike.


I know! Haha so shit. Probably need more speed. I'm just too much of a vagine!


I'd start with tighter corners, rather than more speed. You can practice in an empty car park for instance. Keep it safe. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pic looks like you're riding crossed. Gotta drop your elbow more and your head should be behind your mirror almost. Get lower on the bike and move an arse cheek off and stick the knee right out.

Even after doing all that and going 55 round a huge roundabout I was at least 3-4 inches off according to my mate following behind, and i have only millimeters of tyre unused on the right side so I'm saying fuck it save it for the track/more capable bike Sad
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find a nice, quiet roundabout with a nice surface. Two on a dual carriageway or bypass is best as you can gas it between them and get your tyres nice and hot.

Get your body position right. In your case, slide more of your arse of the seat and lock your outside leg against the tank. Get your head down lower so its down near or below your mirror and think about putting your inside knee back, not down. A relatively high gear helps keep it smooth too.

Do laps of roundabout getting progressively quicker until you either:

A. Get knee down
B. Lowside like a noob
C. Smash into another road user.

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PostPosted: 14:06 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the point?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
What's the point?


To look cool? Thinking

Frankly, there is no point in doing that on the open road. I've often ran with some lads that did knee down in every corner, well I went the same speed, even had to slow down mid corner not to crash into them. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your head where it is currently in green, where it wants to be in red

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PostPosted: 14:26 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been riding over 20 years and if my knee is on the road it either means I've broken down or fallen off. I like to think I'm a fairly quick rider.

Even if I'm not as fast as i think I am. I know several people who are (and have trophies to prove it) who have pristine knee sliders on their road leathers and have them worn down to the velcro on their race leathers.

KD is for the track, not the road.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys! Will try it out, going to hang off more and really get my head low.

Alex A wrote:
What's the point?


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PostPosted: 14:30 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've been riding over 20 years and if my knee is on the road it either means I've broken down or fallen off. I like to think I'm a fairly quick rider.

Even if I'm not as fast as i think I am. I know several people who are (and have trophies to prove it) who have pristine knee sliders on their road leathers and have them worn down to the velcro on their race leathers.

KD is for the track, not the road.


Equally you could say riding fast is for the track, something you I and all of us do.

Knee down is a bit of fun!
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've been riding over 20 years and if my knee is on the road it either means I've broken down or fallen off. I like to think I'm a fairly quick rider.

Even if I'm not as fast as i think I am. I know several people who are (and have trophies to prove it) who have pristine knee sliders on their road leathers and have them worn down to the velcro on their race leathers.

KD is for the track, not the road.


As Fisty says, it's fun. Near me there's only a couple of roundabouts and some special, usually shell gripped, corners where I would even bother trying it. Like you, I am much faster when being smooth. If I'm being smooth on the road, my knee probably isn't down as it means I'm trying to hard.

Track riding is a different matter, the level of grip and overall speed is so much higher that it happens naturally, even for novices.

I reckon getting your knee down is like a wheelie. It's not big, it's not clever, but it is fun and should only be done where there aren't kittens to kill or pensioners to terrify.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang off more, go faster. That is all.

(find a roundabout, it's easier)
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could hang off or just buy a daytona. You are perched on it and you knee just falls on the floor.

I'd never ever got my right knee down. This was my first track day on my first session with the daytona Laughing

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On the road however I've never done it, roads here are shite.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standing by for I've just been dumped on my arse on a low side, anybody know I can get cheap bits from....
I followed a chap on a GSXR trackbike at Cadwell. He had his knee dragging on most corners, I didn't. We lapped together for most of all the sessions (until It rained. Then I left with a session to go and pissed off into Louth and got pissed).
My chum, a track day regular thought he was a bit quick and took the piss out of my bolt upright style until his girlfriend timed us. Then he wound his neck in and flounced off.
Maybe if I had the skill to save a front wheel slide on my knee I'd bother. I don't, so I'm not fussed.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing you want to do is get some leathers, getting your knee down on the road at speed with jeans on will hurt... a lot. also if you get it wrong and you & the bike part company you want to be able to get up and not have to visit A&E to get gravel and dirt picked out of your wounds.

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PostPosted: 18:08 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I touched my knee down for a brief millisecond on my old CBR600F, I shat my pants.


To achieve kneedown on the road I pretty much had to be one or more of the below:

Arrow Going too fast to react to road conditions and other vehicles,
Arrow Leant way too low for good visibility (seeing and being seen), or,
Arrow Hanging way too far off the bike to have decent control over the bike (especially if going too slow for the above two to count)
Arrow Crashing.

Because of that I gave up trying. That isn't to say it isn't possible on the road, but the opportunities to do so safely seem pretty limited to me. Especially on our over-congested, pothole ridden, hedgerow lined, hidden junctioned roads in the south east of England!

You might have more luck on better roads.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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