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moonzoomer
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Bike damaged in MOT test centre Reply with quote

Not me but a friend while having his brakes tested, MOT centre claim it was the riders fault, rider claims the tester did not notice the back wheel was not in the brake test rollers properly after the weight test causing the bike to jump to one side once the rollers started. Damage to bike is estimated at around 800 quid mostly bolt/screw-on plastics, no injury to rider or tester.
Who is responsible in your opinion?
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PostPosted: 05:07 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the MOT tester was not the one on the bike?
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The devil is in the detail
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always been the MOT tester sitting on any bike I have had tested. Confused

As arry says, more info needed.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
So the MOT tester was not the one on the bike?
No, it was the rider/owner on the bike at the time, the back wheel was not in the rollers squarely allowing the wheel to jump to one side once the rollers had started.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Ireland. No idea why they have different rules, and I'd be a little concerned that it's only a matter of time before this makes it into the GB tests.

https://www.righttoride.co.uk/2014/03/07/rolling-road-trials/

Apparently they have access to rolling roads but can only film on potatoes:

https://youtu.be/eBEYqINAw24?t=98

Well, he's not going to get compo by asking nicely.

Usual procedure, letter asserting his side of the story, invoice, letter before action, https://www.courtsni.gov.uk/en-GB/Services/Online_Services/Pages/default.aspx#smallclaims
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg, your second video link shows the exact set-up including the weighing plate though the rollers in the video were slightly narrower. The bikes owner has been in contact with the DVANI regional manager to try to resolve the problem already, the manager has already stated the CCTV cameras were faulty that day (very convenient).
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my shite-ped was dropped by an MOT tester and bodged back together badly I plastered it over social media...... when I went to the garage to demand they make good they were falling over themselves to fix it (and blame the apprentice).

TLDR - Kick up a highly visible stink.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Llama-Farmer wrote:
So the MOT tester was not the one on the bike?
No, it was the rider/owner on the bike at the time, the back wheel was not in the rollers squarely allowing the wheel to jump to one side once the rollers had started.


Can't handle his own bike?
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Triton Thrashe.[/quote]

Can't handle his own bike?[/quote] He can handle a bike fine, it was the tester who started the rollers spinning while the bike was not located properly in the rollers causing the rear end of the machine to be thrown out of the rollers which I must point out are designed for testing cars, lorries and buses. For motorcycle testing there is an additional steel plate installed over the rollers to prevent sideways movement of the narrower tyres of a motorcycle, this is not always used as the test lanes have to deal with all types of vehicles and was not used in this case. Problem is proving the steel cover was not in place as imo I believe this was the cause of the damage.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Bike damaged in MOT test centre Reply with quote

Was it explained that the rider could have the tester perform the test?

I've done this once or twice on my own bikes in England (where it's expected the tester would do it) to help out a busy/friendly tester.

Does move about a bit and can see people that aren't great at holding the bike up having issues anyway.

You're expected to do the braking for a truck test too, but a bit less worrysome there!
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Bike damaged in MOT test centre Reply with quote

G wrote:
Was it explained that the rider could have the tester perform the test?

I've done this once or twice on my own bikes in England (where it's expected the tester would do it) to help out a busy/friendly tester.

Does move about a bit and can see people that aren't great at holding the bike up having issues anyway.

You're expected to do the braking for a truck test too, but a bit less worrysome there!
Rider/owner must do the test, the tester operates the test equipment not the bike, same applies to the car MOT test, owner/ driver does the brake test unless there is a second tester available ( hardly ever due to backlog and lack of fluttering eyelashes). I can see a big problem with this system as Human error is a factor often ignored, some people brake harder than others plus braking while sitting static is not a natural thing to do. IMO the entire test should be conducted by the tester.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Bike damaged in MOT test centre Reply with quote

G wrote:
Was it explained that the rider could have the tester perform the test?

I've done this once or twice on my own bikes in England (where it's expected the tester would do it) to help out a busy/friendly tester.

Does move about a bit and can see people that aren't great at holding the bike up having issues anyway.

You're expected to do the braking for a truck test too, but a bit less worrysome there!
moonzoomer wrote:
Rider/owner must do the test, the tester operates the test equipment not the bike.


https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/annual-mot wrote:
a roller brake test where you will be required to ride your machine through the brake roller tester, however, if you are not happy to do this the examiner will, on request, ride the motorcycle through the rollers for you
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 11 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Bike damaged in MOT test centre Reply with quote

G wrote:
G wrote:
Was it explained that the rider could have the tester perform the test?

I've done this once or twice on my own bikes in England (where it's expected the tester would do it) to help out a busy/friendly tester.

Does move about a bit and can see people that aren't great at holding the bike up having issues anyway.

You're expected to do the braking for a truck test too, but a bit less worrysome there!
moonzoomer wrote:
Rider/owner must do the test, the tester operates the test equipment not the bike.


https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/annual-mot wrote:
a roller brake test where you will be required to ride your machine through the brake roller tester, however, if you are not happy to do this the examiner will, on request, ride the motorcycle through the rollers for you
In the real world this is not an option, the current waiting time unless you can get a cancellation is 3-4 weeks depending on the test centre, if staff/testers are not available a new application must be forwarded which may include a full test fee depending on the original date of application. As already mentioned, the problem (imo) in this case was that the narrowing plate had not been fitted to the test rollers allowing the bikes rear tyre to travel the full width of the rollers which are designed for much larger tyres.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 12 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unrelated, but can you drive it to England and get an MOT?
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 12 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

b422063 wrote:
Unrelated, but can you drive it to England and get an MOT?


Certainly used to be able to do so. My father used to do it quite regularly due to the standard hideously long waiting time for a test in NI

MOT station just outside the Port in Scotland used to have a steady business for this.

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PostPosted: 21:13 - 12 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

b422063 wrote:
Unrelated, but can you drive it to England and get an MOT?
I have had a few MOT tests done in Scotland due to long waits for an NI test up until the MOT disc was introduced in 2008 , the MOT discs were cancelled earlier this year but the cost of getting a car or bike to GB is expensive nowadays.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 12 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
He can handle a bike fine, it was the tester who started the rollers spinning while the bike was not located properly in the rollers causing the rear end of the machine to be thrown out of the rollers


Surely the tester would need to check that the bike was correctly located on the rollers before starting the machinery to prevent shenanigans?
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 12 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:


Surely the tester would need to check that the bike was correctly located on the rollers before starting the machinery to prevent shenanigans?
He should have but the problem was that the steel cover which is fitted over the rollers to narrow the roller width was not fitted, this plate limits the sideways movement of the motorcycle wheels, the plate is removed when testing car, van, lorry brakes etc.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had my CG MOT'd last month at the test centre they asked if I wanted to do it or not so I had the option (I trusted myself more than them after hearing about them dropping bikes or breaking things).

He did a 'test' test to let me get the feel of the rolling road on both the front and back wheel, before doing the actual one.

Didn't have a steel plate when I did it and you did move side to side slightly. Thought it could be more of a problem with a larger/heavier bike.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are you meant to do it if you can't get both feet flat down? There are plenty of folk out there riding bikes that are (inB4 "utter rot") too tall for them.

I'm also surprised that it's done with the highly variable "rider's weight" involved rather than some 75kg sack of standardised Euro-sprouts draped on the seat.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, two feet down on the CG was possible but not as you say on a taller bike for many a rider. At 8 Stone the drum brakes were not pressed too hard Laughing

It wasn't that much of a 'jerk', so I think as long as you were allowed a trial run you'd be fine. I had heard of a MOT tester bursting a master cylinder by 'trying to rip the lever from it's pivot' (evidently it was knackered but who gets the blame?)
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 16 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

von1papen wrote:


It wasn't that much of a 'jerk', so I think as long as you were allowed a trial run you'd be fine. I had heard of a MOT tester bursting a master cylinder by 'trying to rip the lever from it's pivot' (evidently it was knackered but who gets the blame?)


I've had my car's handbrake fail on test (tester doing the test not me)
cable snapped

was given an advisory and told to get it sorted - presume I got the advisory as he knew my uncle would make sure the cable was fitted properly (uncles garage can't do MOT's, sends everything to this chap.)
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 20 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My MOT brake test has always been to whizz it round the back, grab a handful of front, nod, bring it back in. Never seen this done with a helmet on, possibly because the examiner is having a fag at the time.
They not do it this way in NI?
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PostPosted: 05:49 - 21 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
They not do it this way in NI?


I think it was Roger who explained the NI as a guinea pig for all the crazy laws Westminster can think of regarding rules. "We'll see how it works and implement it if it causes chaos. If it runs smoothly, we'll bin it".
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