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PostPosted: 07:36 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Should I also order a new graphics card? [PC] Reply with quote

Finally I got upset with my old PC last night so I decided to upgrade. I've already ordered most of the parts.

Current PC is...
- it's slow
- it runs out of hard disk space again and again
- my RAM seems insuficient for today's standards, but the motherboard cannot take more.
- video processing takes forever
- games, they don't work at sensible fps
- monitor is fine, cannot complain, max res 1280x1024

Old PC:
- AMD Athlon64 X2 4800+ processor
- motherboard with support for max 4GB RAM DDR400 PC3200
- 4GB RAM
- Radeon HD 7770 2GB graphics card [PCI-E 16]
- HDD 74GB SATA

New PC:
- Intel i7 4790K processor
- motherboard with support for max 32GB RAM DDR3
- 32GB RAM
- Radeon HD 7770 2GB graphics card [PCI-E 16] - unchanged
- HDD 1TB SATA III

Now.. Will I benefit from changing the graphics card at all considering the max res I use is 1280x1024? That's the only part I was not sure about and the graphics cards are quite pricey and I'm totally lost what's good enough anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it gaming or editing that you'll be using it for? If it's gaming i'd raid the piggy bank and chuck a GTX 970 in there Cool
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a 1080 monitor for under £100 these days.

You seem to be building a high end rig with a massive bottleneck at the GPU and a screen resolution from tymes of olde. I'd get a newer monitor and GPU, unless your sole usage is CPU based number crunching.

What's your actual usage and budget?
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need my PC mainly for the internet and some video/photo editing. Video compression takes forever on my old PC.

I'm not a serious gamer. I've got a few that do work but not great.
Ark: Survival Evolved
Thief
The Witcher

I'd like to try Elite: Dangerous

At the moment the cpu and ram are the bottle neck. Not to mention constant problems with hard drive space.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

32gb of RAM is Overkill IMHO.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer your question, no I would not think you would benefit from changing the graphics card however I'm not sure whether you're suggesting downgrading or upgrading it.

Your question suggests you're thinking about downgrading and the only thing which would benefit from a downgrade would be your wallet of course.

Looking at the parts you've listed, the build looks good and probably more than adequate for your requirements. However as previously suggested, a full HD monitor will make alot of difference for a small cost.

Actually, I've just realised there's no sign of an SSD drive in your build, I cannot convey how much of a performance boost an SSD drive provides. Here's one of the millions of videos on Youtube that show you the performance boost you get from using one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y2_lR2jssc)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P736UEU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436953627&sr=8-1&keywords=ssd

I hope that helps
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:

Ark: Survival Evolved
Thief
The Witcher


You probably don't "need" a better GPU then....... I would though. A GTX960 (or AMD equivalent) would add about £150 to your budget, throw in a 1080p monitor for about £80. It's not a massive extra spend and the rig would be pretty good. Would munch up the above games and handle the newer Witcher games if you were tempted.

32GB RAM is likely overkill. 16GB would be more than enough.

Money saved on RAM could go toward a small(ish) SSD..... shove your OS on it and enjoy snappy boot up times.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

as someone said, 32GB of ram is a bit mental.

SSD will give such a massive boost in performance you wont believe it until you've tried it. If you're willing to go for an SSD then post on here before you part with cash as there are many things to take into consideration of an SSD for price, space and performance. also type M2 or SATA

For elite dangerous you looking at Nvidia 970 gfx card or similar
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:54 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had a SSD, so obviously I don't know the benefits. Although the price of 500MB SSD is £130 and I just paid £35 for 1TB HDD Smile

I've already paid for 32GB RAM, DDR3 is really not that expensive. Never too much memory imho.

The most expensive part was the CPU obviously. I think it's a decent one (sort of mid range one). I didn't want to buy a cheap one, I didn't want to spend silly money either. I just want something that I can keep for a few years without any need to upgrade again.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:
I've never had a SSD, so obviously I don't know the benefits. Although the price of 500MB SSD is £130 and I just paid £35 for 1TB HDD Smile

I've already paid for 32GB RAM, DDR3 is really not that expensive. Never too much memory imho.

The most expensive part was the CPU obviously. I think it's a decent one (sort of mid range one). I didn't want to buy a cheap one, I didn't want to spend silly money either. I just want something that I can keep for a few years without any need to upgrade again.


What speed was the RAM? 32gb of slow RAM would be worse than 16gb of Fast stuff.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know it it's Corsair Vengeance 4x8GB DDR3 1600MHz CAS 10-10-10-27 XMP. I bet it's faster than DDR400 PC3200.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's one seriously lopsided build quite frankly.

As stated, you should go get a mid range 250gb SSD literally right now (BX100 - 850 EVO - Extreme Pro are good safe bets that are pretty damn hard to argue against) for £80-£90ish and prepare to have your mind blown at the difference it makes. Building up that CPU with that mechanical HDD is just a waste of money. Lump your steam library, films and porn stash on the 1tb. Operating system and apps on the 250 = job done.

GPUwise, see how you get on before you start throwing more cash at it. Upgrading the graphics card is a 5 minute job. And it's easy to sink too little or too much cash without thinking properly about what you actually need.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:
All I know it it's Corsair Vengeance 4x8GB DDR3 1600MHz CAS 10-10-10-27 XMP. I bet it's faster than DDR400 PC3200.


Cheaper and would be faster I reckon.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R-Vengeance-2400Mhz-Performance/dp/B00EUPV2RQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1436976426&sr=1-1&keywords=CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R

Completely agree with everyone else about the SSD, they offer so much bang for your buck, it is moronic to build a high end PC without one. I have a £250 laptop I lobbed an SSD in, boots from cold to Windows 8 desktop in less than 7 seconds.

Same with the monitor too, why built a high spec PC for video editing that can't even output in '1080p'.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright then.. I will get an SSD as well Smile

System + programs + games on SSD
Videos + photos + all other crap on HDD

Will a 250GB SSD be enough though?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:
Alright then.. I will get an SSD as well Smile

System + programs + games on SSD
Videos + photos + all other crap on HDD

Will a 250GB SSD be enough though?


Buy the biggest you can afford. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 15 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:
Alright then.. I will get an SSD as well Smile

System + programs + games on SSD
Videos + photos + all other crap on HDD

Will a 250GB SSD be enough though?


Find out if your motherboard has an M2 slot
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 16 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:00 - 16 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

reduce ram to 16gb. Add better gpu. Add SSd.

The rest is good. Oh, and don't forget a decent psu to power all that up. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 18 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a GTX 680 4GB card here for sale, £200 + P&P and it's yours.

However, your monitor is shit and there's no point until you get a better screen.
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 19 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a great card but that's a little steep now no?
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 19 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mJZ wrote:
I've already paid for 32GB RAM, DDR3 is really not that expensive. Never too much memory imho.


If you're gonna use a Windows OS (64bit), then you're gonna need the professional version to benefit from 32GB of RAM. The Home version only supports 16GB of RAM (the professional version supports 192GB). Thumbs Up

8GB of RAM would be more than enough, though.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 19 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Still a great card but that's a little steep now no?


True, I have two of them as well. Make me an offer for one or both!
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 21 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have decided but I will agree with all, SSD all the way, night and day difference. Single most impressive speed increase in my years of messing, was open mouthed the first time.

Pretty sure I run a 7950, plenty of bang in that purchased well over a year ago (I think) running along with 16GB of ram.

As for pricing, memory and HDs can be a bit volatile, whenever I go to upgrade I'm always on the wrong end, so if its cheap for good speed and lots and lots of bytes, snap it up.

I always scan this as well when purchasing, you may get something good https://www.hotukdeals.com/
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