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jetblast787
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Insurance question Reply with quote

Hello all!

I'm planning to purchase my first bike on a CBT in the next month and will be mainly using the bike for getting to and from uni and general shopping, so all will be in a localised area.

I am leaning towards purchasing a CBF125 Or CG125 (depending on which I can get my hands on for a reasonable price) with a budget of around £800-£1000 max. I will be studying in Portsmouth and will be based there for the majority of the year (minus a month during the summer when i'm back in london but will still have student accommodation in Portsmouth).

Regarding insurance, I am being quoted around £600 even when I select the security i'll be using (Oxford chain; guessing for now just to get a quote) and selecting Social and pleasure with a yearly mileage of 1500. I only got my CBT end of June, however have had a full car licence since Apr 2011. When it comes to choosing which moto licence I have, I don't know which to pick for when on a CBT licence hence Its confusing me quite a bit making me wonder whether the quote is correct.

Also, I may be inclined to get a scooter instead; should I expect the insurance to be lower than £600?

Thanks!

Edit: Also forgot to ask, taking into account the fact I have a 17" laptop and messenger bag, which type of bike would be most suitable to accomodate this? I can't see myself riding with the messenger bike on my shoulder; I can just see it either be placed in underseat storage (will it fit?) or between my legs on a scooter.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found declaring security items makes fuck all difference to my quote therefore I always say nil. That way they can't wriggle out of paying if I didn't put the chain on and it got stolen.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Insurance question Reply with quote

jetblast787 wrote:
When it comes to choosing which moto licence I have, I don't know which to pick for when on a CBT licence hence Its confusing me quite a bit making me wonder whether the quote is correct.


Every insurance comparison site I've used asks about car history and bike history as two different things. Read the question they're asking "bike license held" is a provisional. Car license held is "full".

jetblast787 wrote:
which type of bike would be most suitable to accommodate this?


Get a topbox.

jetblast787 wrote:
to and from uni


jetblast787 wrote:
selecting Social and pleasure


I sense "sorry you where on your place to a place of work, will not pay out", others opinions may differ but first thing that comes to mind.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Insurance question Reply with quote

NJD wrote:


jetblast787 wrote:
selecting Social and pleasure


I sense "sorry you where on your place to a place of work, will not pay out", others opinions may differ but first thing that comes to mind.


most insurance companies accept uni as not being a place of employment (most term it as that)

it can sometimes be cheaper to include commuting on quotes, guess you're more likely to look after something if you're going to be relying on it.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Insurance question Reply with quote

jetblast787 wrote:
Social and pleasure with a yearly mileage of 1500.


That is a very low mileage. Doubt you will do that few, and you might even be getting a loading on your insurance for such a low mileage.

All the best

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PostPosted: 04:35 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Insurance question Reply with quote

Thanks all for your input. I'm a little hesitant that a 17" laptop cab fit in a top box, can someone confirm?

Kickstart wrote:
jetblast787 wrote:
Social and pleasure with a yearly mileage of 1500.


That is a very low mileage. Doubt you will do that few, and you might even be getting a loading on your insurance for such a low mileage.

All the best

K


Surprised to hear this but it does make sense. My uni is only about 2 miles away from my flat and I'll only be doing the occasional ride out of town (sub 10mile trips). What is the mileage where I may not be penalised for?
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely go for SDP + commuting. Read it, it'll be "to and from a permanent place of work or study".

I'd put in 3000 miles+ and wouldn't list security <MadButTrue>Listing security on my BMW put my cheapest quote up by 1/3rd.</MadButTrue>

Don't make any assumptions about insurance, keep trying different options even if common sense tells you that it should raise your premium.

Go via comparison sites, e.g. www.thebikeinsurer.co.uk, clear your cookies every time and put in near-but-fake details until you get a quote that you're happy with.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Insurance question Reply with quote

jetblast787 wrote:

Surprised to hear this but it does make sense. My uni is only about 2 miles away from my flat and I'll only be doing the occasional ride out of town (sub 10mile trips). What is the mileage where I may not be penalised for?


My mileage can be all over the place. And one weekend away could use up 1/3 of your annual miles. Some insurers don't like low mileage policies - possibly because they assume the person is telling porky pies and so what else are they being less than honest about.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:37 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the first year it's near impossible to say how many miles you'll actually be doing, some comparison websites have mileage calculators to help you figure out but even that's only a slightly better guess.

As above try various details, doing a dummy quote returns that 7000 miles is the same price as 3000 (I just used a high random number) so why limit yourself, this year, my first year I have limited myself and am therefore having to work around the miles just so that I don't have to spend any more money on adjustments, cnuts.

jetblast787 wrote:
I'm a little hesitant that a 17" laptop cab fit in a top box, can someone confirm?


Get a decent backpack with a laptop compartment inside, near enough every backpack I've owned has one with or without a strap and if you ever get worried about it getting damaged just wrap it in a towel for extra protection.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 27 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
For the first year it's near impossible to say how many miles you'll actually be doing, some comparison websites have mileage calculators to help you figure out but even that's only a slightly better guess.

As above try various details, doing a dummy quote returns that 7000 miles is the same price as 3000 (I just used a high random number) so why limit yourself, this year, my first year I have limited myself and am therefore having to work around the miles just so that I don't have to spend any more money on adjustments, cnuts.

jetblast787 wrote:
I'm a little hesitant that a 17" laptop cab fit in a top box, can someone confirm?


Get a decent backpack with a laptop compartment inside, near enough every backpack I've owned has one with or without a strap and if you ever get worried about it getting damaged just wrap it in a towel for extra protection.


Thanks for the advice so far! I've brought a few items of kit ready for when I get the bike already!

One more question insurance wise, I have put a deposit down for my accomodation at uni and will most likely start the tenancy on the 1st Sept. If I purchase the bike earlier and put my address down as my uni address (where the bike will be located once I move there), will the insurance company ask for proof of address early in the contract?
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetblast787 wrote:


Get a decent backpack with a laptop compartment inside, near enough every backpack I've owned has one with or without a strap and if you ever get worried about it getting damaged just wrap it in a towel for extra protection.


Thanks for the advice so far! I've brought a few items of kit ready for when I get the bike already!

One more question insurance wise, I have put a deposit down for my accomodation at uni and will most likely start the tenancy on the 1st Sept. If I purchase the bike earlier and put my address down as my uni address (where the bike will be located once I move there), will the insurance company ask for proof of address early in the contract?[/quote]

Further to the question above, I've just checked the vehicles I can drive on the DVLA site, and I've seen the following:

https://i.imgur.com/OCrMNAG.jpg

Does that mean I can drive a CAT P moped with a CBT, however I have had a CAT A provisional bike licence since 2009? So does it mean it wasn't required to do a CBT?
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NJD
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetblast787 wrote:
will the insurance company ask for proof of address early in the contract?


Depends where the bike is stored only reason I've ever come across reading that someone needed to send proof to an insurance company was when the insurance company requested pictures of "secure garages" when listed as "where will your bike be kept?" on some polices.

I cannot say if the above is a good or bad idea but that in the event your bike be stolen inbetween the date of moving from current to uni they wouldn't pay out, also false details, not that listing someone else's address to get a cheaper quote hasn't been done before.

(wait for others to confirm this one) but would it not be better to phone the insurance company you intend to go with and ask them if changing the address on a policy means an admin fee, you're not tied to a contract and are simply a potential customer making an inquiry.. although what insurance monkeys say over the phone is often "lost".. "not true" or "phone call never happened".

jetblast787 wrote:


122 - valid on successful completion: Basic Moped Training Course

Looks clear as day to me that a CBT needs to be undertaken to validate that category of your license.

Also 01 - Eyesight Correction, glasses needed so be sure to take them with you for your CBT Thumbs Up
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jetblast787
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
jetblast787 wrote:
will the insurance company ask for proof of address early in the contract?


Depends where the bike is stored only reason I've ever come across reading that someone needed to send proof to an insurance company was when the insurance company requested pictures of "secure garages" when listed as "where will your bike be kept?" on some polices.

I cannot say if the above is a good or bad idea but that in the event your bike be stolen inbetween the date of moving from current to uni they wouldn't pay out, also false details, not that listing someone else's address to get a cheaper quote hasn't been done before.

(wait for others to confirm this one) but would it not be better to phone the insurance company you intend to go with and ask them if changing the address on a policy means an admin fee, you're not tied to a contract and are simply a potential customer making an inquiry.. although what insurance monkeys say over the phone is often "lost".. "not true" or "phone call never happened".

Well my tenancy starts on the 1st September so I won't get it before then, however can't I just say I was visiting my parents back home? The ones I've asked do charge for a change of address

jetblast787 wrote:


122 - valid on successful completion: Basic Moped Training Course

Looks clear as day to me that a CBT needs to be undertaken to validate that category of your license.

Also 01 - Eyesight Correction, glasses needed so be sure to take them with you for your CBT Thumbs Up
I've already done my CBT with my glasses. However my main point was that category A doesn't state the restriction of a CBT like Cat P does



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