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Nathan9505
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Cbt recently passed, What kind of bike should i get Reply with quote

Ive recently passed my CBT, ive not really had much experience besides that besides going on alot of trips on the back of a bike. However i picked things up quickly on my cbt (which i did on a twist and go). Anyway, as i dont have the means to save high amounts of money im after a second hand for about £600-700, as to which ive spotted more bikes tha)n mopeds.

Firstly, would it be adviseable to get a geared bike, and spend a week learning (Whilst insured obviously) on side roads or carparks, would it be safe to say id be able to start riding a geared in a safe enough manner to commute around town(not large joyrides) within a few days of learning?

Besides that, the bike ive been looking at is a Honda CG125 2001 model
Anyone owned one of theese bikes? ive heard theyre reliable but slow, to what degree are they slow? Would a 125cc moped be faster? eventually ill be on rides with my friends, who have the likes of a sinnis apache 125, I dont intend on racing around like an idiot and i know i wont match them top speed but I dont wanna be totally holding them up everywhere we go getting left behind on acceleration
Also, does the 2001 model have electric start or just a kickstart
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

All 125cc 4strokes are going to be slow.

But yeah, buy a cheap £500 CG125 and crack on.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it worth buying as a first bike? and are gears easy enough to learn? Confused
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nathan9505 wrote:
Is it worth buying as a first bike? and are gears easy enough to learn? Confused


Are you going to build gearboxes or what exactly do you want to learn about gears?

2 cog wheels make 1 gear, end of the lesson.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a matter of personal preference.

The 125 bikes are slow but fast enough for single carriage way roads. They may struggle to reach the 60mph legal limit, and sometimes it will be difficult or impossible to overtake slower vehicles.

If you think you can enjoy riding without overtaking everything in front of you then yes, a reasonably priced 125 is a very good choice.

And you should have learnt how to use gears on your CBT. You can either try to learn on your own or with an instructor.


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PostPosted: 17:27 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gears? Well, unless you want to stick with T&G's for ever, you got to learn them some-time... us wot have had our licences since before you were a sperm, didn't even have CBT to teach us the rudimentary, we got half an idea from the mags or mates, and learned vy crunching gears, wheelying into privet hedges and stalling at junctions a lot... we got there! You are already a step ahead, get bike and go practice where there's nothing much harder than a privet hedge to bounce off!!!

As for bikes> @ £500 beggars can't be choosers; it'll be a case of taking whatever comes along, rather than going looking for what you want.

And for what's on offer in the Learener-Legal market at that sort of money, you ought not have high hopes from it being brilliant, looking great, performing amazingly, never letting you down and lasting until you can buy something bigger. Expect to spend a lot of your time and a lot of your money fixing stuff...

Hint: more you put in 'upfront', either spending more on a better bike, or spending a little cash and some time doing 'preventative' maintenance BEFORE stuff breaks, less is like to break, and if it does, less you'll like spend time or cash to fix it.

On that basis; get out there, see what you can find that looks promising and work from there....

BUT £500 CG's are becoming rare beasts, and out of production a decade now, what CG's there are are tending to the scrap-heap. If it looks better than a complete pile of shit, has an MOT and a V5 that matches the bike, AND actually runs.... I'd probably bite the chaps arm off for that sort of money, in your shoes. (and then get it home, take the wheels off, clean the brakes; oil the chain; oil the brake cables/clutch cable, change the oil, change the spark-plug, spray the switches with WD40, etc etc etc) And essentially treat it as 'disposable'.. if, in a years time I could get more than £250 for it as spares or repairs, or get it through another MOT for under £250, I'd consider myself quids in...

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such thing as a 125cc moped - google the definition of 'moped'.

Gears take about a minute or less to learn, and a bit longer to get used to depending on the person learning.

You won't learn anything about gears by riding a twist-and-go.

If you pass your test on a geared bike, you have a choice - if you pass on a twist-and-go, you don't.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
All 125cc 4strokes are going to be slow.


This. It really doesn't matter what you get, they're all going to be a similar speed.

Unless you get an R125 Rolling Eyes

I'd seriously recommend learning gears. The sooner you do, the sooner you open up what's available to you. If you're only looking at scooters you're limiting yourself.
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Cbt recently passed, What kind of bike should i get Reply with quote

Nathan9505 wrote:
eventually ill be on rides with my friends, who have the likes of a sinnis apache 125, I dont intend on racing around like an idiot and i know i wont match them top speed


You might... I've got a couple of friends with a Sinnis Apache & Pulse Adrenaline and they're good for say 55mph which is what I believe the top speed of a CG to be.

Surbitom wrote:
This. It really doesn't matter what you get, they're all going to be a similar speed.

Unless you get an R125 Rolling Eyes


Have faith in the R125, at an indicated 86mph it'll happily leave me behind on my CBF doing an indicated 70 Sad
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a lovely 2002 RS125 for sale soon if you're interested? Needs a bit if work, but you won't get a quicker 125. It's MOT'd and in daily use. Just needs some tlc.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they do a Fireblade with twist and go? Laughing

Well actually I can see DCT soon on sportsbikes Sad
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the CG.
It isn't fast but neither is the Apache.
Unless you spend yzf 125 money or get a decent YBR (both above your budget) you probably wont get one that does much more than 65 on flat.
I got into bikes before the days of cbt and I practiced on a quiet road until I'd got used to the gears and brakes,then went off with mates on the road.
You've done the cbt so you should be good to go with a few hours practice.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are gears easy to learn?

Hard to say, everyone is different, if you understand how to do the motions, I'm sure you will quickly pick up the nack.

If you're that worried, take another CBT on a geared bike?
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 06 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

what ever bike you chose, dont get anything pretty

chances are you will drop it - then will curse your self for scratching it

if its already scratched you wont be arsed
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 09 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gears are easy to learn and with gears you will have more control on the scarce power.

Having said that if you will use the bike say for heavy town traffic like London only by all means get good twist and go.

Twist and go will be better in traffic and has more space if you go shopping.

Taught2BCautious wrote:
If you pass your test on a geared bike, you have a choice - if you pass on a twist-and-go, you don't.


Does not matter with DL196 when pass CBT you can ride any 125 even if you pass on auto.

The certificate they give you is DL196. Your certificate of completion lets you ride a moped or a motorbike up to 125cc on the road with L plates for 2 years

https://www.gov.uk/cbt-compulsory-basic-training/cbt-certificate-of-completion
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 09 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:


Taught2BCautious wrote:
If you pass your test on a geared bike, you have a choice - if you pass on a twist-and-go, you don't.


Does not matter with DL196 when pass CBT you can ride any 125 even if you pass on auto.


CBT is not a test, so you complete it, you do not pass it.

I meant if you pass your actual test on a geared bike, you have a choice - if you pass it on a twist-and-go, you don't.
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PostPosted: 05:01 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
No such thing as a 125cc moped - google the definition of 'moped'.


Well, there COULD be.. depends whose defanition of a moped you wish to take....

Wikipedia wrote:
A moped (/ˈmoʊpɛd/ MOH-ped) is a small motorcycle, generally having a less stringent licensing requirement than motorcycles, or automobiles, because mopeds typically travel about the same speed as bicycles on public roadways. Strictly speaking, mopeds are driven by both an engine and by bicycle pedals, but in common usage and in many jurisdictions the term moped is used for any moped-sized motorcycle even if it does not have pedals.


Which was actually a rather 'catholic' answer I thought...

As far as UK Law goes, there isn't actually succinct single 'legal' definition of what a moped is; it's essentially defined by a licencing 'class' which has changed over the years, since it was sort of 'invented' back in 1973 (when they decided to raise the age for a motorcycle licence from 16 years old to 17, & made wearing a crash helmet compulsaey) and a bunch of exemptions, exceptions and amendments to the 'general' Construction & Use Regulations for motor vehicles for sale and use in the UK.

Common usage, and the notion behind the licence class was to allow 16 year olds to still ride a powered-two-wheeler, that was about as fast as a push-bike, on a good day... and had pedals; but, until they invented the 'moped-licence' that had been (in the UK) more commonly called an 'Auto-Cycle'... a term dating back to the pioneering era of the late 1800's, when folk started attaching biscuit-tin De-Dion engines to propriety push-bikes.... They could, then have simply introduced a new 'Auto-Cycle' licence, in 1973.. b-u-t... there were 'motor-assisted-pedal cycles' still commercially available, that had low powered single-cylinder 'plant' (or Lawn-Mower!) engines; often low-tech side-valve engines, possibly as large as 150cc or more, that could be described as 'Mopeds'... and stretching the defanition, you could get an old belt drive, 'veteran', like the legendary 350cc Douglas 3&1/2 HP, that still had pedals that drove the rear wheel, and potentially many other's of all capacities probably right up to a full liter!

Name "Moped" and the modern 'definition', as any powered two wheeler, under 50cc and limited to 'about' 30mph depending on the metric-emperial concersion factors of the time it was made, then comes from Europe, where we sort of stole the name and defanition, from what the French, dutch and Italians allowed as essentially licence and or tax exempt, and sold as a 'moped'.. and have been re-converting that to English at intervals ever since.

Vogue for folk to call almost any 'scooter' regardless of capacity a 'moped', maybe infuriating, but since the law fails to be more discriminatory over the motor-assisted-pedal cycle's 'form' and still attaches a name that implies it ought have 'pedals' to something that doesn't need to have any...(and only ever did for four years out of forty!!) I don't think that we can be too critical of their lack of precise terminology, really!
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main elements of the current legal definition of 'Moped' are: an engine capacity not greater than 50 cc (3.1 cu in) and a maximum design speed of no more than 45 km/h (28 mph) so if you are riding one that doesn't meet both of these requirements, it can't be classed as a 'Moped'.

I daresay there's a list of specific makes and models that meet the current requirements, but if you change something that makes the engine capacity more than 50cc (bore kit), or makes it go faster than 45 km/h (28 mph), you have changed the design and it no longer belongs to the class 'Moped'.

TL/DR: There is no such thing as a 125cc moped - there may have been in the past (which is completely irrelevant), but not now.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 11 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately get a geared bike.

If you are concerned about getting used to riding a manual bike, clutch control etc, speak to a local riding school about a manual conversion lesson. Would probably only cost you around £30 for an hour with an instructor on a manual bike to give you a head start on the basics.

Really the main thing you need to get is finding and holding the biting point and smoothly controlling revs with the throttle. Changing gear itself is easy.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 12 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get one of those red ones
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