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Purn1
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Am I going to die on Bandit 1250? Reply with quote

Hi guys.

I know there are a million "is a 1000cc bike too much as a first bike?" posts, but I think this is different so bear with me if that's ok!

I'm very close to 30, have been driving well over ten years and have been riding an Aprilla RS125 (brave, aren't I?) 15 miles to work in central London for the past 6 months as well as lots of pleasure riding.

A friend of mine has just sold me his 2008 Bandit 1250 for a bloody good price. I have my test on Monday so if I pass will be going straight on the road with the Bandit.

I've already ridden the Bandit (very conservatively) to see if it terrified me, and actually felt very comfortable on it. I'm aware of the lashings of torque it produces and its weight. It's 90BHP, which is substantially less than a 600Super sport but obviously the torque it chucks out is a lot more.

So, with all that considered, am I being a little silly and Squidish jumping on a 1250 from 125? Will it bite me and will the weight and torque disallow me from getting the most from the bike?

Thanks for reading, long one I know.

Many thanks, Chris
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Am I going to die on Bandit 1250? Reply with quote

No.

But buy a Fireblade anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually today my instructor suggested me not to rule out the big bandit. So it might not be such a crazy idea.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Am I going to die on Bandit 1250? Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
But buy a Fireblade anyway.


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PostPosted: 18:16 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your rs125 could kill you too yknow Wink
As long as you respect it you will be fine.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It only goes and stops as fast as you want it to. Fuck the naysayers and enjoy it, just don't let it control you. You control it.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
Your rs125 could kill you too yknow Wink
As long as you respect it you will be fine.


I've nearly killed the RS, many, many, many times. Frustrating isn't the word. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would have no problem with anyone jumping straight on any bike, this based on my own experience.

Buggers (the world motorcycling public) convinced me to get a 'beginner' bike, which I got bored of rapidly and cost me money don't listen to the damned fools! A CBR500 or the likes is like wearing an 'L' plate with a strike through. Get a Fireblade or a GSF1250 and enjoy Smile
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in doubt, flat out. Thumbs Up

Buy the bandit if you want it. Our approval won't change a thing. I for instance think it's not really a safe motorcycle. It's engine is quicker than its frame. Thumbs Down

Fireblade is a much safer motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in a similar position to you at the minute. i have my DAS in 2 weeks and my friend is currently selling his bandit 1250 and will let me have it for a decent price. i cant make my mind up about it!
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first bike was a bandit 1200. Was fine, plenty torque but overall it's a pretty tame bike. you'll be good dude!
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would you know if you could die on it, you'd be dead?.. I laughed at someone the other day who said my 125 wasn't fast enough and therefore didn't need a full set of textiles, mu flubba soon shut up when I stopped them and told them wrapping yourself around a lamppost at 30mph would result in potatoes.

The question you should be asking is "do I want to own this bike?", if you're thinking about death before getting on a bike or even buying it what must your thought process be when riding, if being deaded on a bike is a concern I wouldn't advise riding at all.

Maintain a safe riding style at all times and regardless of power of the bike you in theory will be fine, pss, avoid the cagers.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a fairly petite girl that went from an XR125 to a Bandit 1200 as her first big bike and she hustled it big time.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
How would you know if you could die on it, you'd be dead?.. I laughed at someone the other day who said my 125 wasn't fast enough and therefore didn't need a full set of textiles, mu flubba soon shut up when I stopped them and told them wrapping yourself around a lamppost at 30mph would result in potatoes.

The question you should be asking is "do I want to own this bike?", if you're thinking about death before getting on a bike or even buying it what must your thought process be when riding, if being deaded on a bike is a concern I wouldn't advise riding at all.

Maintain a safe riding style at all times and regardless of power of the bike you in theory will be fine, pss, avoid the cagers.


With all due respect, the thread title wasn't meant in a literal sense, kind of tongue in cheek.

But, you're right. I know deep down I'm riding it regardless so suppose I'm just looking for some gratification by coming on here. It's just nice to have some reassurance, you know?
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purn1 wrote:


But, you're right. I know deep down I'm riding it regardless so suppose I'm just looking for some gratification by coming on here. It's just nice to have some reassurance, you know?


Yes, I totally understand. Praying for just one soul to tell you it's a good idea that idea you have already decided on will be reality anyway.

Mind you BCF did stop me buying a wrecked SRAD even though she winked and flashed her sexy tail at me, it was lust at first sight and had to go for a wank to get over it. I still wanted that bike Sad
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road. Thumbs Up
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.

When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing. Thumbs Down

Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went from a CBR125 to a GSXR600 so about 10x the power. Dont regret it at all, I love the bike and I know it will keep me entertained for years until I am able to reach its limits (if ever).

If I had gotten something more mundane Id just be distracted by the fact I want a supersport and it would take away from enjoying another bike. At the end of the day this is a big part of why we ride, its fun. So I say enjoy the bandit and no regrets!
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Am I going to die on Bandit 1250? Reply with quote

Purn1 wrote:
I've already ridden the Bandit (very conservatively) to see if it terrified me, and actually felt very comfortable on it.
That's a good start. I wouldn't worry about the power, I would worry more about the weight and agility of the bike whilst stationary/maneuvering. Same goes for most big bikes, but if you're happy moving it about at slow speed, in and out of the garage etc then go for it.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be a reassuring voice. Do it. If you can ride a 125 without dying, you can ride a bigger machine without dying.

The only difference is acceleration and deceleration but this is all controlled by your right hand.

Providing you don't go balls out in the first week of riding you'll be fine. AFAIK that bandit isn't intended for knee down speed hunters, more a fast tourer kind of bike (?) though I may be wrong.

I went to a 100bhp (claimed) bike after 0 experience of riding bikes, I just did my DAS and went for it. By many people's opinions I should have died instantly but I didn't.

DO IT. You will only regret the stuff you didn't do.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:21 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road. Thumbs Up
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.

When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing. Thumbs Down

Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety.


I don't think that's the problem with new riders on big bikes. It's not even down to the big bike, it's down to the aggressiveness of the bike. Sports bikes like a fireblade/R1/GSXR1000 are not particularly forgiving if you snap the throttle open and closed. Yes they're much more capable machines but they punish your mistakes harder than a fluffier bike such as the bandit.

Get the bandit you'll be fine, just remember to be smooth with the brakes and smooth with the throttle.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're far more likely to die off of it.

It's bought, ride it, win.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. You will die alone.

It is written.

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PostPosted: 11:48 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

el_oso wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
What I've learned over the years is, that the difference between a superbike and a naked (not made for speed) motorcycle is, that when you think you are riding on the superbike on the edge, pushing it to the limit, you're in fact using only about 60-70% of its real potential. Which means when you've got a problem, there's still the 30% of assurance and safety before things get really fecked up. The brakes, suspension, frame, just everything is made for far higher speeds than you'll be capable of achieveing on the open road. Thumbs Up
Side note: You have got to trust the motorcycle, to benefit from those extra 30%. If you don't trust it, you'll crash it.

When you think you are riding a not made for speed motorcycle on the edge, you are mostly pushing your luck. And bigger and heavier the motorcycle is, more trouble can come, when you'll have to slow down the thing. Thumbs Down

Slower motorcycle does not necessarily mean more safety.


Yes they're much more capable machines but they punish your mistakes harder than a fluffier bike such as the bandit.


This sentence got me thinking. Of course that, when you're gonna just use the throttle as an on/off switch you are going to go down at some point. But, try to ride a superbike and right after that try a huge naked bike or an SM etc. The first thing I always notice is that those require more lean angle to maintain the same speed as the superbike in every single corner (meaning, on a superbike you are still left with 30% of the lean angle just to make a escape maneuver if required) and also you are going to have to use your brakes more (braking power of a superbike is way more superior) Braking power is not just about calipers, MC's and tyres, it's about the frame geometry and suspension.
I mean, last time I got the foot peg down on the ZXR, I was going way faster than I wanted, so that saved me there. On a not made to be fast motorcycle, you've got the foot peg on the tar all the time, meaing there's no more lean angle left for you.

I was riding my mates FMX650, that motorcycle tops out at around 90 mph. According to the polls, that is a safe motorcycle. But it is not.
The suspension travel is enormous, you can't really feel what the wheels do and braking is a bit of a gamble, because you always wait for the compression of the front end. Also, going the same speed through a corner, as you'd go on a superbike, is really pushing your luck.

The Bandit 1200/1250 would have the same problem. I've been on similar naked bikes before, and they always had soft suspension, with rather long travel and wobbly frame. That doesn't really sound safe, does it? I mean, the Bandit 1200/1250 is a 120 Nm engine, that'll make that thing go 120 mph in no time. Thinking of it, I've got basically the same brake calipers and once can buy the samy tyres I use, yet it will never be as good as my ZXR. Even though the ZXR is a rather heavy motorcycle.

TL; DR: Yes skills are what matters, but some motorcycles just require full wagons of skills to stay alive on. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a naked bike I don't find I ride that quickly anymore because wind blast makes going fast only appealing for a short duration.
I'd imagine the feeling of your head getting ripped off and your hands hanging on to the bars will stop you going daft on it.
I don't imagine they handle great so you'll probably be cautious round bends too.
You are quite likely to drop the thing at slow speeds though as they are quite heavy but you'll probably survive that.
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