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VAUX
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Feedback Required - Stolen Vehicle Recovery Reply with quote

Hello, I'm working on a project and would like feedback from bikers as to what they ideally would like to see in a product that could include:

Stolen Vehicle Recovery (monitored & tracked by Secure Operating Centre, with Police liaison for recovery if stolen)
Engine Cut - (On Police command)
Rider Card Identification - (No card present/Alert generated)
Movement without ignition monitoring.
Connected Bike - (diagnostics, telematics etc)

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated and treated in complete confidence. If there are other features of Security or connectivity you would like to see as Standard fit or Aftermarket fit please let me know also.

Regards

D Gildert

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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

School project season again?

What are you proposing that's not already provided by the various solutions that are already on the market?

I ask because the only tracker that I've ever seen any positive outcomes from is BikeTrac.

The important part is that they appear to liaise effectively with Dibble and make the process easy and straightforward enough that they actually bother with recovery. Given the appalling lack of fu​cks given that we see reported over and over again, I'd question the effectiveness of any device that just tells the owner "HALP I'MA BIN STOLED!!!!"

Put simply: how's your relationship with the vehicle and specifically motorcycle theft units in all the UK police forces?

If the answer is "yeah, yeah, I'll work on that once I've done the engineering" then you're likely just wasting your time and ours.
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VAUX
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This 50 year old left school donkeys years ago..

Understand that there are other products out in the marketplace, but what I wanted (and not to waste your time) was to find out what the biker marketplace would like to see developed on top of the "Stolen Vehicle Recovery".

We already manufacture CAT5 & CAT 6 products for OE/Aftermarket and can provide via our own "secure operating centre" FULL police support across UK/Europe & USA.

So on top of this if our product could provide you with additional functionality (not just battery low warning), what would you require, what would be of benefit for you?

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Ste
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello, I'm working on a project

What project are you working on?

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We already manufacture

Who's we?

You can get huge amounts of feedback from BCF but you'll need to be more forthcoming with details if you want help. Thumbs Up
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VAUX
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What project are you working on?

As per previous posts, Stolen Vehicle Recovery, however we already do this & want to get feedback as to what the biking industry would like further (especially from an end user perspective). Some things we could include are crash notification, crash reconstruction, engine management diagnosis/notification.

Who's we?

Vodafone Automotive!

So, over to you guys. Would like your feedback & then maybe we can start to put inot action what you are looking for. We are already working with OE's & getting their feedback, however I thought that t would be a better angle to ask the end user what they "really" want..

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Ste
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

But I question whether you're from Vodafone simply because reputable companies pay the people who help with their research which is pretty different from you spamming some internet forum. And they use well written, specific questions whilst you've posted some very vague, catch all type questions.

I assume you're working for a company on behalf of Vodafone Automotive rather than being an in house researcher at Vodafone?

If all your research is worth to vodafone is a few spammy posts on internet forums then it seems Cobra was a bad investment for Vodafone.

Anyway, pay me and I'll help you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Feedback Required - Stolen Vehicle Recovery


Surely it would have been more polite to request feedback rather than require it?

Can it tell ME where my stolen bike is, then keep quiet about having told me if the police come around asking questions?

In my experience there is no point telling the police about a stolen motorcycle.

It would be a cold day in hell I fitted an engine cutout switch to my bike and gave the police the button.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

It would be a cold day in hell I fitted an engine cutout switch to my bike and gave the police the button.


Ditto
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Ste
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes

Stop answering his questions until he pays us.

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PostPosted: 17:21 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Rolling Eyes

Stop answering his questions until he pays us.

Razz


My first bit of feedback is free.

VAUX wrote:
Engine Cut - (On Police command)


Fuck. Right. Off.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

VAUX wrote:
Vodafone Automotive!

Opening with this would have been a good idea. The vast majority of surveyors who rock up here are fantasist students.

Your existing products look fine. Detect that the bike's being moved, contact the owner and the rozzers, job done.

None of that other tosh is remotely interesting. What might make me a customer is smaller, cheaper, lower battery drain. Be clear on the pricing. Stick to the basics, don't try and add value with frippery that has no real benefits.


Ste wrote:
Stop answering his questions until he pays us.

It's OK, the honest answer (simple, cheap) isn't what he's after anyway. Wink
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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The honest answer is the one which involves them paying me. Razz
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. A device that can't be detected with a mobile phone app, and disabled with a £10 gadget off alibaba.com

2. Police will never take responsibility for the consequences of this.

3. RFID, BlueTooth and NFC solutions already available cheaply.

4. Already a feature of most alarm systems.

5. Never going to happen unless manufacturers release their proprietory code - not all bikes are OBDII compliant.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stolen Vehicle Recovery (monitored & tracked by Secure Operating Centre, with Police liaison for recovery if stolen)

Would this be charged? The police already hold our vehicles for ransom, would purchasing this system provide a "lifetime membership" or subscription?

Engine Cut - (On Police command)

Wouldn't be too happy for this. What if it went wrong and cut out mid corner? Would your company take responsibility for the occurrence and pay my loved ones 5 million dollars in reparations?

Rider Card Identification - (No card present/Alert generated)
Movement without ignition monitoring.


I'd be excited for this. Providing it was part of the key and somehow combined with the ignition

Connected Bike - (diagnostics, telematics etc)

Yes. Providing the data cannot be given to the rozzers. In the event of a collision I wouldn't want my history of riding 10 minutes earlier to give a false account of what happened at that moment of the incident.
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