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SolHill95
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Honda Free CBT Reply with quote

Greets y'all

I don't know if this is just local or nationwide but the Honda dealership in Carlisle is offering to pay for your CBT if you buy a 125 with them.

I spoke to a friendly chap inside and saying that there was a finance plan available, £99.00 deposit and £70.00 a month for 3 years.
It isn't a buy to rent contract so after 2 years I could sell it on and not face any surprises. Though they are offering a 2 year guarantee, roadside assistance and a year of tax free when the contract is signed.

The bike I looked at was the new Honda CB125F and costs £2599.00 new.

What I'm trying to ask is do the people of BCF think this is a good offer and is this happening elsewhere too.

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on the RRP, the price quoted is a few quid high (£2499 RRP + £55 registration + £17 tax = £2571) but the finance offer seems to be Honda standard at the moment. I'm guessing the free CBT is the dealer's own offer.

Pretty much par for the course in terms of buying a Jap 125 new at the moment. Probably not a huge amount to choose between them but the YBRs are on 0% at time of writing, which works out more or less the same per month. You get a longer service interval on the Yamaha (3500 v 2500) but pretty sure you get a gear indicator on the Honda, which might come in handy for noobs forgetting which one they are in. Otherwise not sure what else there is to differentiate them. I expect Honda are still trying to convert folk lamenting them dropping the CBF125 and are trying to sweeten the deal, whilst Yamaha are trying to take advantage in order to boost sales of an ageing model.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that three-year finance period set in stone? Cause you're very unlikely to want your first 125 for that long.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Honda Free CBT Reply with quote

SolHill95 wrote:
What I'm trying to ask is do the people of BCF think this is a good offer

What I think is that you'll turn up for the CBT, "fail" it after 2 hours and get rinsed for a second day.

Tax is £17, 2 year "guarantee" is the bare minimum required by Brussels (should be durable for at least six years), and "roadside assistance" means whatever it means, which may be a 4 hour wait for some man-in-a-van to show up and say "Naebody telt me it wiz a bike."

So no, I don't think it's a good offer, especially on a budget Thai bike that's reputedly not even sold there any more as it's viewed as such a lemon.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Honda Free CBT Reply with quote

SolHill95 wrote:
Greets y'all

I don't know if this is just local or nationwide but the Honda dealership in Carlisle is offering to pay for your CBT if you buy a 125 with them.

What I'm trying to ask is do the people of BCF think this is a good offer and is this happening elsewhere too.

Cheers


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SolHill95
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hefty wrote:
Is that three-year finance period set in stone? Cause you're very unlikely to want your first 125 for that long.


It can be paid off any time or so I was told. I want to get a copy of the contract and read the small print to be sure.

I can't afford to buy a bike outright and I was looking for options, I thought this might be too good an opportunity to miss.

Cheers for the advice.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd give it a miss, mainly because if you wait and save up, you'll get a 125 on the road for half the money, and you'll want some money left over for when you decide a 125 isn't enough and you start looking at doing a das, not to mention you will get the opportunity to learn how these little bikes work if you buy used.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd imagine the CBT would be with CMT (Cumbria Motorcycle Training).

I've had two friends do CBT with them and both went back for a second afternoon on the road at no extra charge.

Was a few years back mind but their website still claims they operate a "garaunteed pass" scheme.

That said, how much does CBT cost these days? £100? I bet you could find one that much cheaper elsewhere. Not that I have anything in particular against Lloyd Honda but the Lloyd group as a whole aren't generally the cheapest.

Price up getting finance through your bank too. Although I personally think you'd be crazy to buy a brand new 125 on tick. I suppose someone needs to buy new 125s though, otherwise there'd never be second hand ones.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanRLee wrote:
start looking at doing a das


I'm 20, I've got 3 and a bit years till I have to think about doing a das, I just need something reliable to get me to and from work.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound as if you've already made up your mind and that you're looking for reassurance, Don't listen to the many voices of reason, just go along with the deal, because someone will appreciate your 125 when they're paying half the price you did when you do move on.

If you just want a 125 for the next 3 years have you considered going Chinese?
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanRLee wrote:

If you just want a 125 for the next 3 years have you considered going Chinese?


I had a look at a sinnis trackster and seriously considered it, but there is nowhere local (that I know of) that selling one.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you genuinely need it and cannot afford to buy outright, I don't think finance has to be a terrible option. Sure, saving to buy outright is the ideal but life does not always work out that way. One thing to bear in mind is that you can trade up early and do not need to pay off the full agreement before doing so. Not sure about Honda but a lot of big names and independents are using Black Horse and they make refinancing pretty easy.

As long as your settlement figure is less than the resell or part ex value, you have at least a small deposit to go towards another bike. You would have to do the numbers and figure out what seems reasonable to you but clearly a new bike will leave you paying quite a bit of depreciation off, before this happens. Low to zero interest deals might lessen this a little though and around a hundred quid's worth of CBT helps too.

As I say though, depends how much you need it and what combination of interest and depreciation you are willing to pay before you trade it in.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Honda Free CBT Reply with quote

SolHill95 wrote:
Greets y'all

I don't know if this is just local or nationwide but the Honda dealership in Carlisle is offering to pay for your CBT if you buy a 125 with them.

I spoke to a friendly chap inside and saying that there was a finance plan available, £99.00 deposit and £70.00 a month for 3 years.
It isn't a buy to rent contract so after 2 years I could sell it on and not face any surprises. Though they are offering a 2 year guarantee, roadside assistance and a year of tax free when the contract is signed.

The bike I looked at was the new Honda CB125F and costs £2599.00 new.

What I'm trying to ask is do the people of BCF think this is a good offer and is this happening elsewhere too.

Cheers


Noooo no no no no no Exclamation Exclamation . I can tell you from bitter recent experience that buying a brand new 125 is just a bad idea. I did that (CBR125R in my case, was convinced it was all I needed for the next year or two, and rushed out straight after the CBT to get it, because I enjoyed the CG125 on the CBT so much), rode it around a few weeks and even though the bike was otherwise lovely, got so fed up of it taking half a minute to get to 70 (and then needing me to hug the tank for it to actually stay there) that I did a DAS and have now swapped it for a '12 reg XJ6 Divvie, which I couldn't be happier with. I lost close to £1k on the trade in though and this is all over the course of around two months. Rolling Eyes

If I could time travel I'd go back, slap myself for buying a new learner bike Crying or Very sad, and send myself off to buy an old CG125 from somewhere, they apparently last forever. Thumbs Up

SolHill95 wrote:

I'm 20, I've got 3 and a bit years till I have to think about doing a das, I just need something reliable to get me to and from work.


So do the A2 test, then you can get something decent and just restrict it until you're allowed to upgrade to full A on progressive access (see https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirements ). In the meantime just get a cheap CG125 or something if you want to ride before the test, you'll be able to sell it for pretty much the same price you bought it for in 2 or 3 months when you pass the test (and won't feel like an idiot for losing £££ on an older bike than the one you're trading in).

The only thing I can think of that's a worse idea than buying a new 125, is buying it on a 3 year finance deal, because there's no way you're going to want to keep it for that long.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You tell people and you tell people, but they want that shiny new "peace of mind" bike naow naow NAOW. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You tell people and you tell people, but they want that shiny new "peace of mind" bike naow naow NAOW. Rolling Eyes


This^

No amount of 'peace of mind' will stop them dropping it or sending it down the road though. Not so shiny & new anymore Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SolHill95 wrote:

I'm 20,


Why are you even looking at 125s? You can go straight in to the A2 license and get your full A via accelerated access at 22.

By a strict reading of https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirements you don't even need a CBT pass to do the A2 test so thats 100 squids saved there.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You tell people and you tell people, but they want that shiny new "peace of mind" bike naow naow NAOW. Rolling Eyes


Well once you start down the road of finance deals, it is also easy to focus on the monthly payments, without really considering the bigger picture as much as you should. It might cost as little as an extra tenner a month or so to get a shiny new, un-molested example, compared with something a year or two old. That will always be tempting to someone without much experience, whether we are talking 125s or something bigger. Such a person is probably not going to be taking a gamble on a much older and cheaper example anyway, so that option is pretty much a moot point.

Not saying it is the best idea and I certainly do have regrets that I bought new and on finance. But the popularity of PCP deals possibly has a lot to do with focusing on the monthlies as well.


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PostPosted: 21:24 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hefty wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
You tell people and you tell people, but they want that shiny new "peace of mind" bike naow naow NAOW. Rolling Eyes


This^

No amount of 'peace of mind' will stop them dropping it or sending it down the road though. Not so shiny & new anymore Thumbs Down


Quite a few year or two old 125s do not show obvious signs of significant damage from dropping. Jus' sayin'.

Bikes might be a little more difficult to keep looking nice. But I also recall conventional wisdom saying that you will crash your first car. I didn't. Scooters might be easier to handle but I have thus far kept that rubber side down as well. You will drop it of you will not. Neither is a certainty.
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