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Celera
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Utter noob brake question Reply with quote

Apologies that this is almost certainly a total bonehead question, but how do you tell when your brake pads need changing? I can't imagine it's a case of taking it all apart, just to check, but equally I don't want to leave it til there's damage to the disks.

Any info appreciated - and obviously I invite you to point and laugh at my retardation about my bike's retardation.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Utter noob brake question Reply with quote

Celera wrote:
Apologies that this is almost certainly a total bonehead question, but how do you tell when your brake pads need changing? I can't imagine it's a case of taking it all apart, just to check, but equally I don't want to leave it til there's damage to the disks.

Any info appreciated - and obviously I invite you to point and laugh at my retardation about my bike's retardation.
Get down on your knees (ooer) with a torch and look at the pads end on. You will see the pad material sitting proud of the backing plate they are attached to. When it's worn almost to nothing (only a few mm thick) it's time to change them.

This is a picture of some car pads so the new one is a bit thicker than usual for a bike, but you get the idea.
https://www.autoservicefees.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/worn-brake-pads.png
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many, but not all, have a wear groove in the pad material.

If there was one and it's now gone, time for new ones.

A torch and a dentists mirror are useful for checking brake pads.

Remember to check both sides, they don't always wear evenly.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the basics of bike maintenance you might want to become familiar with, not at all difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmEwKvioHoY
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys. I think looking is within my technical repertoire.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing which can be overlooked if inspecting pads on the bike is a lip build up on the disc or pad. This prevents a good, flat contact with the disc & dramatically reduced the available braking power.

Pads with an extreme lip I junk even if they have a lot of life left in them as it's almost impossible to rectify without damaging the friction surface. You'll also need to look at resolving the alignment issue with the disc. A disc with a lip I'll measure with micrometer & if it's close to the minimum width replace else I'll (get someone else to) machine the lip off.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
One thing which can be overlooked if inspecting pads on the bike is a lip build up on the disc or pad. This prevents a good, flat contact with the disc & dramatically reduced the available braking power.


interesting ... you have perhaps some pictures ... Question
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is one of those easy to recognise worn pads inspection jobs.

But not for some Shocked I was at a certain BMW bike dealer near Tunbridge Wells the other year and someone had traded in their Triumph ST and so the bike was out at the front together with other second hand machines.As I stood talking bikes to a friend I was looking at said ST,so much so that the sales guy thought that I might be interested.he came out with all of the usual patter,"regularly serviced","just been MoT'd","looked over by the top bike mechanic that works at the place".

None of which impressed me as I had noticed that the rear brake pads were right down to the metal,which I could see quite easily from a few feet away from the bike.When I pointed this out to said sales guy,I said that it would put me off ever buying a bike from them if their top mechanic had missed such an easy to check component Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
techathy wrote:
One thing which can be overlooked if inspecting pads on the bike is a lip build up on the disc or pad. This prevents a good, flat contact with the disc & dramatically reduced the available braking power.


interesting ... you have perhaps some pictures ... Question

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lipped+brake+discs&FORM=HDRSC2
1st & 3rd images on the top row. Neither are bad examples, but long term you can imagine it gets quite bad.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 10 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lipped+brake+discs&FORM=HDRSC2
1st & 3rd images on the top row. Neither are bad examples, but long term you can imagine it gets quite bad.


yes .. I see .. I should think that such wear would be prominent on the disk if not so evident on the pads... either way.. a terminal decline for disks & pads.... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 12 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
techathy wrote:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lipped+brake+discs&FORM=HDRSC2
1st & 3rd images on the top row. Neither are bad examples, but long term you can imagine it gets quite bad.


yes .. I see .. I should think that such wear would be prominent on the disk if not so evident on the pads... either way.. a terminal decline for disks & pads.... Thumbs Up

Oddly, it's quite easy to miss. I've even seen people running on discs which are less than their minimum thickness being measured as good because the guy used vernier callipers which measured this edge thickness Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 12 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:

Oddly, it's quite easy to miss. Laughing

the last mot on my ZZR14 the examiner said they were worn but not excessively...
if you have ever seen the fitment on a zzr14 they are a complicated set-up hiding behind everything else...
any way when I got back and stripped them one of the pads had come away from the metal backing and they were down to just over 1mm... this @ 16k miles... Whistle
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