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notbike
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Insuring your bike at a different address Reply with quote

Probably done to death but was looking at getting an R6 in a couple years but I live in London. They're asking £1.5k TPO let alone TPFT or fully comp even on a couple years no claims. Price barely moves even if I add more years to no claims. I'd have to be 30+ before it becomes affordable and who wants to wait 9 years?

My brother lives in Guildford and his insurance quotes are far cheaper.

3 questions.

1. Could I use his address and say the bike stays there overnight in his garage even though it wouldn't and not get caught?

2. If caught, is that illegal and could I get done for it? (Could I blag it and say I live with my brother and was visiting my parents in London Mr officer?)

3. I already know if it's stolen at my home address overnight they wont pay, but will it void my insurance in the event of a collision on the road?

I hate London sometimes.

Ty in advance for info.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could have the policy revoked due to misrepresentation - the reason it's cheaper supposedly is there's less risk involved in insuring the bike if it's spending most of it's time at your brothers.

this could be seen as fraud by misrepresentation.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
you could have the policy revoked due to misrepresentation - the reason it's cheaper supposedly is there's less risk involved in insuring the bike if it's spending most of it's time at your brothers.

this could be seen as fraud by misrepresentation.


Is it likely that this would happen though? They can't know where my bike is parked all the time, so I'm wondering how they'd even find out.

For the record it will never be spending any time at my brother's place. It's just for the cheaper premium.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're involved in a claim then your whole story could/would start falling apart.

The bigger the cheque that your insurance company might have to sign, the more they'll try to find ways to invalidate your cover.

Chances are you'd get away with it but I don't think it would take anyone long to pick holes in your story by asking a few questions.


1. Maybe.
2. Yes and yes. Maybe you could blag it if the traffic cop is stupid enough to believe a crap excuse or maybe he'd be quite pissed off that you tried to take him for an idiot.
3. Yes.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If you're involved in a claim then your whole story could/would start falling apart.

The bigger the cheque that your insurance company might have to sign, the more they'll try to find ways to invalidate your cover.

Chances are you'd get away with it but I don't think it would take anyone long to pick holes in your story by asking a few questions.


1. Maybe.
2. Yes and yes. Maybe you could blag it if the traffic cop is stupid enough to believe a crap excuse or maybe he'd be quite pissed off that you tried to take him for an idiot.
3. Yes.


Cheers man. So I'd have to firstly never get pulled over, and secondly never have an accident. Two things I've already managed to avoid for a year but I don't fancy my chances :S Might just go legit cause it doesn't seem worth the hassle.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know someone who has bikes and cars registered at their mums address as insurance is cheaper and just happens to visit a friend where they"don't live but do live" Razz
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I dont know someone who has bikes and cars registered at their mums address as insurance is cheaper and just happens to visit a friend where they"don't live but do live" Razz


Derp was meant to rate that as "interesting" Razz

So am I just overthinking this entire thing then lol, my mate was telling me how all his friends do it because it's cheaper and have never been caught.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all very well and good.. but then a traffic copper stops you. Checks your license details. Finds out about your insurance details. Might notice they're not the same addresses...
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I like legit insurance, sometimes the price increase of £200 for a bike that costs £87 to insure in a worse area... just doesn't seem worth it.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
It's all very well and good.. but then a traffic copper stops you. Checks your license details. Finds out about your insurance details. Might notice they're not the same addresses...


Insurance asks where your vehicle is kept, or its registered address. FWIW all of my stuff is registered to the correct location, along with all of my details elsewhere. I just happen to camp elsewhere, for gaming purposes. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then I'd have to change my license address and register the bike at my brother's address just so I could insure it at his address? Hassle Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Insurance asks where your vehicle is kept, or its registered address. FWIW all of my stuff is registered to the correct location, along with all of my details elsewhere. I just happen to camp elsewhere, for gaming purposes. Wink


Fair, fair.

When I was stopped riding your TL, my Hornet insurance wasn't even coming up in my name as the new owner had also taken out insurance... they let me off as they said they couldn't imagine I'd be riding a bike like that without valid insurance Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be a bit obvious if you're stopped and checked and the address on your licence is in London and the insurance is in Surrey... wouldn't take PC Genius long to figure out why...

Whether that would mean you weren't insured - is down to the insurer.
Accident or theft... i imagine any insurer will do anything they can to wriggle out of paying anything.

You pays your money (or not in this case) and takes your chances...
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the only way the traffic coppers would get any suspicion is by the difference between license address and insurance address. If they match up, no reason to get suspicious right?
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
So the only way the traffic coppers would get any suspicion is by the difference between license address and insurance address. If they match up, no reason to get suspicious right?


This is breaking the law... we can't tell you a definitive way of doing so Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol fuck it, too complicated for me to get away with it, I'll have to be patient. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you in London? Our locations are pretty close...
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the chances of it being figured out by a traffic cop in a 'routine stop' or whatever they choose to call it when they stop you just because they can are pretty minimal.

If your insurance company was looking at the possibility of having to pay out upwards of hundreds of thousands then they'll look for ways to invalidate your policy, the more they might have to pay out they more effort they might put into finding a way out.

Pro tip: if you're going to do something like insurance fraud, don't put your plans on the internet. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike was always stored in my parents garage and insured there, my licence was at my home address, told insurance this and they didn't mind so its not illegal if your really doing that.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

TL DR

You will normally only get full cover if kept at the notified address.
So if you decide to park it at your sleeping address and it is nicked you will struggle to get a full payout. It's in the big print in most insurer's T&C.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
Where are you in London? Our locations are pretty close...


NW4

Ste wrote:
Pro tip: if you're going to do something like insurance fraud, don't put your plans on the internet.


This was a hypothetical scenario for research purposes of course. Always good to know the legal system is in full working order..! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate of mine in East theivincockneybastardland London told me of a local fambly who clog his street up with cars
and glibly tell him they're all registered elsewhere to avoid the high London insurance rates.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't see how your licence address matters in this at all.
I've spent many years at various addresses and not bothered updating my actual driving license address - have always had my insurance registered at my current address though. I know I was stopped once for speeding when my address on my licence was in England and I was living in Scotland and PC plod never noticed or said a thing.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 14 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheeseman wrote:

I've spent many years at various addresses and not bothered updating my actual driving license address - have always had my insurance registered at my current address though. I know I was stopped once for speeding when my address on my licence was in England and I was living in Scotland and PC plod never noticed or said a thing.


hi,
thats the bit thats probably "more illegal" seeing as it clearly states (somewhere) that if you fail to inform DVLA of a change of address, you can get fined £5000. iirc.
insurance "fraud"probably harder to prove.....same as all those teenagers driving around as named drivers in their saxo vtr's that their parents have never driven, no?

hypothetically, change of address on licence update form (free but cant remember which form) & then take out insurance policy at same address
if bikes nicked elsewhere, get a lesser payout "if stolen between x & y"

worst case scenario : bike gets nicked at "new address" = accept lesser payout, less likely to ask questions
same as being a student & having 2 "abodes" innit? or insuring a frame to get NCD, no?

insurance co's will try their best to not payout regardless if legit or not. scum of the earth imho.....

cheers,
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PostPosted: 05:22 - 15 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the OP is looking at is very easy for the Ins's co's to check and find out.
Especially is the Op is on the electoral register/pays council tax.... Rolling Eyes
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