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msa969
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Which bike to purchase on my license Reply with quote

hello I am a newbie this forum

I passed my CBT today, however on my license it has a picture of AM and A with end date 10.04.46
but nothing on A1 or A2
what does this mean? The reason I am asking is I believe on a CBT I can ride up to 125cc?
Also what is the highest/power motorbike/moped I can purchase on my driving license
Sorry totally new to this bike malarkey but wish to ride a bike.
I am 49 years of age.
I have attached a picture the back of my driving license.

Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This gets asked all the time, essentially it means you can only ride trikes as you haven't passed your bike test but have done your car test.

In the last column there's usually the code 79(3) which if you lookup on this site (https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-codes), it says you are "restricted to tricycles".

So no more looking at fireblades and get back to the 125cc search, alternatively do DAS (I suggest the latter) Laughing
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PostPosted: 03:06 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the cheapest 2nd hand 125 that runs and has an MOT you can find. Ride fuck out of it. Fall over in a car park/petrol station/etc a few times. Take instruction and tests for Cat A. Sell 125 for about what you paid for it. Buy whatever floats your boat and fits your budget.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for very helpful advice, I will no longer be looking at high engine size or brand new motorbike/scooter

What is DAS?
I am looking at Online insurance but do not know which one to choose for license type:
UK full bike
UK full moped
UK Full car
UK provisional moped

then above with EU ... eg.
EU full bike
...

Thanks


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NJD
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

msa969 wrote:
What is DAS?


Direct Access. It's a course you complete with a training shcool to gain a full motorbike license. A2 or A dependent on age.

19 for A2.
24 for A.

2 years on A2 license = fast track to A.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

msa969 wrote:
Thank you for very helpful advice, I will no longer be looking at high engine size or brand new motorbike/scooter

What is DAS?


Thanks


Direct Access Scheme - refers to the fact the after 24 years old you can go for full unrestricted A license without doing any A1 or A2.

So you can book a training and go get A bike license. A license will give you entitlement to ride any bike any cc. A license is called unrestricted.

https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirements
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

msa969 wrote:
Thank you for very helpful advice, I will no longer be looking at high engine size or brand new motorbike/scooter

What is DAS?
I am looking at Online insurance but do not know which one to choose for license type:
UK full bike
UK full moped
UK Full car
UK provisional moped

then above with EU ... eg.
EU full bike
...
Thanks

As you have not passed any bike tests you are a provisional licence holder for Cat A.
That includes Scooter and bikes.
Depending on when you passed your car test you may count as a full licence on a moped.
But most likely provisional.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
Get the cheapest 2nd hand 125 that runs and has an MOT you can find. Ride fuck out of it. Fall over in a car park/petrol station/etc a few times. Take instruction and tests for Cat A. Sell 125 for about what you paid for it. Buy whatever floats your boat and fits your budget.


The best 125 learner was and remains the Honda CG125. You will get your money back and they are bullet proof.

If you can get a Japanese one, they are better than the Brazilian ones-which are okay. Ish.

DO NOT buy anything Chinese.
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NJD
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:
DO NOT buy anything Chinese.


Any particular model and brand or anything that's chinese in general?

Also why? And what chinese bike have you owned to give you this opinion?
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
Papa Lazarou wrote:
DO NOT buy anything Chinese.


Any particular model and brand or anything that's chinese in general?

Also why? And what chinese bike have you owned to give you this opinion?


Fuck off. Why risk it when jap 2nd hand is superior in every way.
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NJD
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Fuck off. Why risk it when jap 2nd hand is superior in every way.


I'm asking Papa Lazarou to explain the reasoning behind his comment / negative opinion on chinese bikes. I'd like to think that someone who has a negative opinion of something actually has experience with the issue rather than joining in with the general opinion. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 28 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading posts on here should put people off chinese bikes. You shouldn't need an opinion to state the obvious. Don't touch fire, don't buy chinese bikes. Have you ever liked a battery. Would you do it daily. If no then don't but chinese. It's like that but worse.

I've had a few chinky bikes and they are inferior to jap. Always will be
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msa969
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for the great advice, I am extremely grateful.

I feel that I am still responsible for this thread and slightly concerned about some of the language. Swearing could be fine if it emphasises a point but I don't personally have a liking for it.

In today's society, humans have become better at understanding racial offence. The word "chinky" I feel borders racism.

I will not be purchasing a Chinese scooter/bike as it makes sense due to some quality issues, thank you for the advice.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, bcf is all about the fuck shit cunts Thumbs Up

But no, YBR125 will be an ace bike for you.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Fuck off. Why risk it when jap 2nd hand is superior in every way.


I'm asking Papa Lazarou to explain the reasoning behind his comment / negative opinion on chinese bikes. I'd like to think that someone who has a negative opinion of something actually has experience with the issue rather than joining in with the general opinion. Thumbs Up


Thanks and just WOW for the silly comments.

I don't like Chinese bikes because the quality isn't there. The Chinese are still building all sorts of machinery which has a life expentancy of six months. Sometimes, as far as their bikes are concerned, six weeks.

You may get a good one. They do exist. Some brands are slightly better than others but I know of nobody who has bought a Chinese bike who has been happy with it. Constant reliability problems, occasionally but more rarely dangerous ones-like frame failure.

Just don't go there, tempting as the price is.

That said, many aftermarket Chinese brake discs and engine parts are fine.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:
Just don't go there, tempting as the price is.


I did. Rolling Eyes Laughing

Fair comments though. Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Papa Lazarou"]

I know of nobody who has bought a Chinese bike who has been happy with it.

quote]


you don't know me personally but I did and I was


only problem I had with mine was a breakdown caused by myself
I put a open air filter directly onto the carb and rode in the wet sending water into the carb

this was in 2006 when the quality was supposed to be really bad

stick with brands like lexmoto sinnis and baotian and you will be fine
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:
I know of nobody who has bought a Chinese bike who has been happy with it.

Hello. You do now.

Plenty of people seem happy with their Yamaha YBR125s. You know where and by whom those are made, right?
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother had a chinese bike (a "Better" 125 cruiser thing) and he was very happy with it. It did fall apart and rust into dust within two years and had some pretty dangerous manufacturing issues but he loved it anyway. Laughing


Still some of the best memories I have on two wheels are thrashing a ropey Fox Eye NSR125 around on L-Plates.*

Cheap, good handling, baby super bike looks, comfy, easy to work on (which is handy if it seizes up) and two-stroke angry garden strimmer soundtrack, loved it. Cool

I only did my DAS in the end because the NSR had such a poor turning circle that it was a real struggle to fit a u-turn within the space needed for Mod1, and I figured if I was going to have to hire a school bike to take the tests anyway it might as well be a 500. If it wasn't for that I'd probably still be riding that tired little Honda. Laughing




* I didn't realise until I was preparing to sell it that it was an Italian import and de-restricted, which explains why it was so much faster than the my previous BN125, which I thought was just slow because it was knackered...
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Papa Lazarou wrote:
I know of nobody who has bought a Chinese bike who has been happy with it.

Hello. You do now.

Plenty of people seem happy with their Yamaha YBR125s. You know where and by whom those are made, right?


No, I didn't. Yep, those things are fine.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Plenty of people seem happy with their Yamaha YBR125s.

Yep, those things are fine.

But you recommend avoiding, for example, the AJS Eco 2 for £1300, and the Jianshe JS125-6 for £940? They've got a life expectancy measured in weeks or months?
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea but I wouldn't touch one with an extremely long barge pole.

Why? Because the Chinese have yet to think about quality properly and there are far superior second hand Japanese bikes at a lower price.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I have said, some Chinese bikes-occasionally-are fine. It doesn't depend on the make or model-although there are some better ones-but I'd say you got lucky.

Japanese bikes, on the other hand, are consistently made. Which Chinese bikes ain't.

I've been to China and have been "lucky" to see how they are made-hand wound electrics coming in from farmers in the provinces trying to earn a few extra bucks, for example.

You've obviously found a good, individual bike.

I have nothing further to add.
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