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| UrbanRacer |
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 Posted: 21:37 - 31 Aug 2015 Post subject: Horrible high speed crash |
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Crash happens at 1:39.
2 riders having a bit of cat and mouse through some fast turns until one of them target fixates.... quite disturbing hearing the groans of the crash victim, another rider is killed by the crashing motorbike flying through the air in the opposite lane
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| Pete. |
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 Posted: 22:21 - 31 Aug 2015 Post subject: |
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"When morons attack".
Guy wasn't helped by his riding companion who probably distracted him by getting up close on his quarter just before the bend keeping him on the outside of the turn and close to the wall. If the guy on the kwak hadn't backed off there he'd probably have turned in a lot sooner.
Shame the innocent guy travelling opposite had to die for their idiocy. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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| barrkel |
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| Pete. wrote: | If the guy on the kwak hadn't backed off there he'd probably have turned in a lot sooner. |
Maybe. But I'd bet early turn-ins are responsible for more crashes than late turn-ins.
People get scared by the corner coming up, so they turn in early and cut across part of the apex; unfortunately, there's more corner to come, but they're set up for a drive out when they need to slow down even more. Usually they end up 50 pence-ing the corner and slowing right down.
A late turn in gives more time to see through the corner, going slower into the corner gives lots of flexibility to adjust line, and you can power on once you've got sight through the bend.
This guy just went into the corner too fast and panicked. IMO if he wasn't so close to the outer edge, he would have spent more time braking and would probably still have crashed.
Of course the competitive aspect probably influenced his decision to go too fast.
Pretty horrific to be minding your own business and get taken out by 200kg of flying metal coming through the air though. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Let's just ignore all the rumble strips and get on the gas.  |
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Might have been target fixation, looking at the barrier instead of the apex. It's an easy thing to do if you ride mostly in town and get in the habit of looking at the bumper of the car in front of you. Then on the open roads you don't look far enough ahead. ____________________ Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S |
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Well my theory is much simpler, he just got scared and panicked. Or he was just an inexperienced rider, that went too fast in a corner too tight for him. Because the lean angle was the same until the impact.
Or maybe the position of Mercury to the Venus had inauspicious effect on the Sun, which caused it to shift the Earth slightly to the left, which made him crash.
Well, I do believe the police record says ''target fixation'' so let's leave it there, shall we?  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| goto10 wrote: | The ramp shaped barrier didn't really help matters either... |
It was designed to keep cars and lorries on the road, not motorcycles though. Even the road rails (metal stuff along the road) was designed this way and it's very dangerous for motorcyclists. Heavy injuries and most of the time death on site, when a rider gets into contact with the steel posts that hold the rails.
The stone walls, that are along the roads in the UK are in fact safer, than the ''modern'' road rails, that can amputate your limbs and even decapitate you, even when you crash at reasonable speed.  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | | Undinist wrote: | Might have been target fixation,... |
Not this crap again. Target fixation is not an universal answer to every motorcycle crash you see. I know the ''target fixation'' is a motorcycle related term and people think they sound smart when they use such an expression. But it all starts to feel like the middle ages again. When every answer to a question was, the God.  |
I've never once used this term to describe someone else's accident and I've never once read it in a thread on this or any other forum. I have always analysed my own mistakes a great deal in an attempt not to repeat them. In this case I think it's a possible explanation. But it's impossible to know without getting inside the rider's head. ____________________ Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S |
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Call it target fixation.
Call it a stuck throttle.
Call it what you want... But that riders skill is not good enough for the riding he was trying to achieve.
Body position is that of a moron who surfs roundabouts.
Dick head riding has caused an innocent rider to die.
Save that shit for the race track.  |
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mmmmmm
Moderately high level of positive camber misjudged, miscalculated, misinterpreted.
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| doggone wrote: | Unlikely, I don't know anyone ever had a 'stuck throttle'..... |
A few decades ago a mate of mine bought a, secondhand, KX250 crosser.
He spent a couple of weeks sorting it.
We pushed it down to the old railway tracks, we were all due a shot on it.
Finally he got it started and my mate disappears in a cloud of 2T.
A few minutes later we hear him coming back towards us, at full throttle, max revs, 50yds before he reaches us he jumps off the bike.
The bike carried on another 100 yds, went past us still at full throttle, max revs, before lunching itself on a concrete fence post.
There was sod all on that bike that wasn't bent, totally and utterly FUBAR'd, no one else even got a go, FFS!
Fortunately, my mate was wearing a helmet boots and gloves and got away with cuts and bruises. He said he'd never been so scared in his life!
So, it does happen, I've witnessed it! ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 336 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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