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 Posted: 22:50 - 08 Sep 2015  Post subject: In two minds about getting an R1 |
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- 2008 R1
- Less than 8,000 miles on the clock
- Serviced barely a few weeks ago
- Scorpion cans, Oxford heated grips, crash bungs
- Brand new set of BT-014s, still have the wear in lines visible
- All around mint condition
- £5999 all in
Negatives
Parents and girlfriend say I'd be mad to get it. Costs more to run, more nickable (even with data tagging and disc lock), potentially gonna kill me cos I'm not experienced enough in their eyes. All the usual stuff. Pretty sure it all came up for the slightly more sensible Fazer and Diversion before it. They didn't kill me. I think my girlfriend wouldn't get on the back of this one, and would resent me for getting it.
On The Other Hand
I've been riding only about 18 months now, sure, not that long but I have crammed in a lot. Just this weekend I racked up 10,000 miles on my FZ6, I know because I've been running one of the trip meters since I got it... in March. My total mileage on all my bikes is now well in excess of 25,000 miles (I'd say closer to 27K). I love my Fazer, but just like the Diversion before it I'm reaching the point where it's losing it's challenge and feeling comparatively slow. I'm aware there are times I can't do all I'd want to because the bike won't react quickly enough etc.
It is insurable, just, if I go TPFT rather than fully comp, I've got a £600 or so quote from MCE which is impressive considering I had to make a claim for an off on my Divvy in Feb this year. Finance on my Fazer is £82 or so per month over a shorter term than the £140 per month over 60 months offered so the interest is a little prohibitive, and the terms are such that I could private sell it and go back to something more sensible if I chose, or downgrade on the finance with the same company to achieve the same.
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I don't know, I really don't. I've been pondering this since it caught my eye on Saturday. I sat on it and the riding position which I'd assumed I'd hate actually fely right, although adjusting to the pegs being pushed further back would take a few weeks I suppose. I notice that on the Fazer, more and more I'm crouching over the tank and trying to get on tip toes so boots don't scrape on bigger leans so I suppose the position and reduced weight makes a lot of sense. I liked the 2008 R1 riding position more than when I sat on the 2015 R1, anyway, feat of modern engineering that the latter is be damned. I guess I just really enjoy this era of Yamahas.
It's tough. I would have to give up some things here, scrimp on other things there. Can't decide if it would be worth it or not. Haven't got long to decide either.
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Sometimes in life you need to do things just for yourself. Sure it might mean you can't afford a curry every two weeks, but you won't care about that. Because every time you step out to the bike, you get to look at that bike. It's fucking gorgeous. Buy it.
Do be careful with those BT014s though, when it gets cold, they'll be a nightmare to heat up.
The real consideration is riding a litre bike. Your bike is no longer the limit, you are. It means that anything you want it to do, it'll do. But it won't save you when you try doing something that shouldn't be done.
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£6000 will also buy 2 or 3 nice enough bikes, which you can have a lot more fun on. It would be crazy to spend £600 on tpft insurance for a £6000 bike  a suggestion, phone MCE a few times, I always find price drops a bit, they like commission and keep phoning the chance of you buying goes up  |
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| Posted: 00:17 - 09 Sep 2015 Post subject: Re: In two minds about getting an R1 |
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| rideslikean00b wrote: | It's tough. I would have to give up some things here, scrimp on other things there. Can't decide if it would be worth it or not. Haven't got long to decide either. |
It doesn't sound like you can afford to spend £6k on a bike, and I think you might end up regretting it if you do. Especially if some unplanned financial issues come up.
If it were me, I'd budget £3k maximum, as you can get a decent litre bike within that price range. There are some less-than-litre bikes that you can get too, that might be worth a look at for something like £1800 (such as the zx9r), they're no R1, but would still be a step up.
I know people need to buy new bikes for others to pick them up second hand, and if someone has the money to spend £6k on a bike without having to scrimp on other things, then fair play to them.
I say get an R1 if you really want it, but only get this £6k one if you're not having to watch your money elsewhere. Otherwise, spend half that on an R1, as that way you won't be trying to run it for cheap or having to miss out going out to the pub or buying tyres when it needs it. |
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Another vote for spend less ponds on an R1. It'll be just as fast, a bit less shiny and perhaps most importantly you'll be able to afford important things like petrol, tyres, C&S and other such boring stuff.
"Haven't got long to decide either." Said the salesman. 
Don't get rushed into anything, especially not by a salesman. It's a blue R1, there's no shortage of them so if you miss out on this one then next week there'll be many more to choose from in Bike Trader / on eBay / etc etc.
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Posted: 06:54 - 09 Sep 2015  Post subject: Re: In two minds about getting an R1 |
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| rideslikean00b wrote: |
Specs
- 2008 R1
- Less than 8,000 miles on the clock
- Serviced barely a few weeks ago
- Scorpion cans, Oxford heated grips, crash bungs
- Brand new set of BT-014s, still have the wear in lines visible
- All around mint condition
- £5999 all in
Negatives
Parents and girlfriend say I'd be mad to get it. Costs more to run, more nickable (even with data tagging and disc lock), potentially gonna kill me cos I'm not experienced enough in their eyes. All the usual stuff. Pretty sure it all came up for the slightly more sensible Fazer and Diversion before it. They didn't kill me. I think my girlfriend wouldn't get on the back of this one, and would resent me for getting it.
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Firstly, WAY overpriced for a 4C8! £6 big ones. I bought mine for £4k in winter as a stock bike will full service history from a dealer. I spent another £500 modding it - Yoshimura TRC carbons, PCIII, R&Gs, Double Bubble Screen, new levers, seat cowl, HIDs.
Yeah, it's nickable, which is why I was forced to purchase a tracker prior to riding it into London! And datatagging doesn't really do much other than identify stolen parts! Get it if you can afford to. But I waited around until I found myself in the right frame of mind to pratt about on a 150bhp thou.
Questions you need to ask yourself is:
 What do you want in a bike?
Will I be able to afford the running costs? (consumables - chains, tyres, brake pads will cost more - replacement pads are about £80-£100 for some brembo sintered - remember these things have six pot radial calipers!). Those BT014's will say goodbye at 2500 miles and they're not particularly good tyres, given what you have now - at least 3-4 generations old in Bridgestone's lineup! Back in 2003-4 they were good, but things have moved on now, and as I remember, they were pretty twitchy and poor in the wet. S20's, on the other hand last longer and you still have reasonable wet grip. Bike turned on its ear and was able to hold a line very well on the road. The ride is very firm, but the handling is very composed - think BMW 3-series like. Does about 100 miles til reserve if I'm tanking it and 140 to the tank. Ride like a gran and you'll see 160 to a tank.
Do you have the self restraint? First gear is good for 100mph and once you pin it past 10k, it flies. Equally fine pottering around lanes in top gear at 70mph. But if you're not used to having a peaky bike, it may catch you out! I've spun the back numerous times in the wet over poor road surfaces and roundabouts.
I'd rather find a more used R1 and save the money - find one that has at least had a drop so you won't feel remorse when you do slide it down the road or drop it off its stand (like I did - ask Big Ham!)
It's a good road bike, very tunable suspension wise. It handles like its on rails; very planted and composed, even on bumpy B roads and welsh mountain roads. It's a heavy bike to handle and depending on what tyres you have, you may need a bit more steering input. It's a comparitively nose heavy bike, but once it's turned, you just have plenty of grip and feedback.
I don't think it wants for any more power. You may want to have the bike remapped (flash tuned) or have a PCIII/V tuned because it's pretty lumpy in the first 3 gears under 4k, i.e. town speeds! Mine sits at 6k and above and it's bliss.
Reliability-wise, not had any issues with mine, bar a new battery in the 10 months I've owned RiRi. Exup cables can seize, so just be on top of lubing that. Oh, and exhaust nuts can rust! Mine look horrendous!
Anyway, I'll just leave this here! Great bikes, but depends on your riding style and what you want from it. I still think the 5VY (2004-06) looks nicer.
Get yourself onto yamahar.co.uk if you want to pick brains on R1s.
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| Posted: 07:23 - 09 Sep 2015 Post subject: Re: In two minds about getting an R1 |
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| Albigularis wrote: | It's fucking gorgeous. Buy it. |
Yeah that's my default instinct, kinda what I want to go with even if it meant parting with a few things I own and don't use that would help with the inevitable petrol bill in the first few months
| Albigularis wrote: | Do be careful with those BT014s though, when it gets cold, they'll be a nightmare to heat up. |
Yeah I've had Bridgestones in the past, including on my Fazer when my rear tyre got a huge screw stuck in it and turned into a pancake. In my experience, not great. I'd want to get some Pilot Roads on there at some point, the PR3s have been great as a set, helps the bike lean more naturally with you in the twisties and still inspire confidence if you get caught in the rain. Even when the rain gets heavy it still handles well enough that you feel in control, can't say that about the half dozen other sets I've tried.
| Ste wrote: | "Haven't got long to decide either." Said the salesman. |
Normally I'd agree, it is a standard sales technique (I expect I've even used it myself a few times) but the bike is listed elsewhere by the dealer and it genuinely has raised interest very quickly.
| Ste wrote: | Have you ridden it and other litre bikes? |
Apart from a short stint with the Thunderace (which had a load of problems) not really, no. I'd be taking it easy for the first few weeks I think... my Fazer can do about 62mph in first gear, I believe this R1 can pull a ton before it hits the limiter. That's a lot of power. Yet it feels so light and even standing still doesn't seem like it would be overly difficult to ride.
| arry wrote: | Can you afford to drop six g's if you smash it up? |
Nope. Which is why I was looking at fully comp first of all. The few quotes I did get were ludicrous, we're talking £9K for the year which is more than the thing is worth! I know it's a sports bike and I'm comparatively new to riding but that still beggars belief.
| The Tot wrote: | Firstly, WAY overpriced for a 4C8! £6 big ones. I bought mine for £4k in winter as a stock bike will full service history from a dealer. I spent another £500 modding it - Yoshimura TRC carbons, PCIII, R&Gs, Double Bubble Screen, new levers, seat cowl, HIDs. |
Yeah I remember your thread on yours, and I have to say all the mods you did were tasteful and clearly made it a better looking (and I'd guess performing) bike. Heated grips and new cans don't add that much to the value, I know - dealer even said as much - but them coming fitted already is appealing even with the price premium, as is the less than five figure mileage. The thing has clearly been fairweathered, probably a garage queen sunny weekend fun one for the previous owner, who I understand traded up to a newer R1. Would need a top box fitted though...
| The Tot wrote: | What do you want in a bike? |
Something fast and nimble so filtering is even easier than I find it now with the Fazer. Something I can commute on but still blast with on the weekends when I have the time. Maybe even look into track days when the time is right. I'm really hard on my bikes and I think having a litre one would allow me to stay further inside the performance window so I'm not pulling the throttle nearly wide open through the first three gears, which is what's happening more and more now. 10K with one bike and you do learn the strengths and weaknesses.
| The Tot wrote: | Will I be able to afford the running costs? Does about 100 miles til reserve if I'm tanking it and 140 to the tank. Ride like a gran and you'll see 160 to a tank. |
I tend to engine brake all the time and just use the actual brakes to bleed off the last 10-20mph to bring the bike to a complete stop. I'm sure this would help pad/disc life, but it's still going to be coming down from higher speeds more often. 140 to the tank is about what I expect, in good weathers I've been able to average 170-196 to the tank on my Fazer for solo commuting and although I wouldn't expect the same from an R1 I could live with that.
| The Tot wrote: | Do you have the self restraint? |
At first, yes. I'm always more careful when I first get a bike, I tend to short shift so I can keep the revs under control and learn where the limits are. As has been said my limits will come up quicker than the R1 will reach its.
| The Tot wrote: | It's a comparatively nose heavy bike, but once it's turned, you just have plenty of grip and feedback. |
Nose heavy isn't a bad thing, recently I've been getting the hang of using the engine braking effect (i.e. shift down two gears before corners and let the clutch out as much/little as needed) to push the weight to the nose for grip on the Fazer when making turns at higher speeds. Not sure how that would pan out on the R1 but it sounds like a fun challenge, not intimidated by the thought of it.
Thanks everyone, so far a lot of great points made and some useful info, especially by The Tot. 
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You don't get it  you'll be wanting a hefty 19mm almax and a ground anchor or 2. Why not just grab an R6, more revs, cheaper, look similar and won't "die" or whatever parents cry about these days. |
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10k miles in a weekend? Fucking hell. Where did you go?
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normally I would say - go for it.
on this occasion however, I will say - 6K bike, first R1, TPFT??!!
fuck. that.
what others have said makes sense, go cheaper, save some monies, enjoy life more. no point having a fucking expensive bike on finance if you cant afford to run it properly, or are scrimping on the rest of your life jut to run the bike. you'll soon resent it.
either way though, good looking bike, but I wouldn't spunk 6K on it when there are so many other great bikes out there for less.
ultimately your choice though mate, enjoy either way
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the "killer" with an R1 is the insurance (£125 fc.)... a ZZR14 is cheaper (£86 fc.) 
the running costs are more but not significant ... 10%-20%
( based on 30k+ on an R1 and 14k+ on an R6)
they are a hand full and can , do catch the unwary..
ie.born again, he was putting petrol in the first time / last time ..
give it a hand full from the exit ...
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/4279954.stm
but nothing else quite compares to a litre hypersports..
imo.. those pipes will likely return 35-40 mpg.
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I had a good long think about this, weighed all the options and thought about costs all round (insurance, tyres, security, fuel bill).
As much as I'd love the R1 the overheads would be too high for me to comfortably afford at this point. I'd be constantly worrying about it getting stolen or someone keying it etc as well. Need it garaged ideally, and all the ones in my area are taken right now and not available for lease.
It is very nice and I know it'd be fun and teach me even more about how to ride but if I'd be worrying about cost and safety every time I walked away from it, something I never do with my Fazer.
Maybe next time! 
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| Posted: 09:23 - 09 Sep 2015 Post subject: Re: In two minds about getting an R1 |
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| rideslikean00b wrote: | Parents and girlfriend say I'd be mad to get it. |
They're probably right, but that's no reason not to.
The reason not to is that you need to be able to either afford to insure it, or to lose it, and it sounds like you can't.
| rideslikean00b wrote: | Haven't got long to decide either. |
Oh, please. End of summer, over-priced even for a dealer and it doesn't sound like they're offering test rides: buyers won't be queuing up round the block.
It's a litre sportsbike, there are loads around at all ages, mileages and prices. There are more for sale than there are (serious) buyers for them. Keep an eye on Gumtree and eBay for a while, you'll see.
I'd strongly advocate that you get an older bike from a private seller that you can afford to both insure and drop, see if you can live with it (in every way) then upgrade when you're sure that you won't have any regrets.
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I bet that bike will still be there.
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| rideslikean00b wrote: | I had a good long think about this, weighed all the options and thought about costs all round (insurance, tyres, security, fuel bill).
As much as I'd love the R1 the overheads would be too high for me to comfortably afford at this point. I'd be constantly worrying about it getting stolen or someone keying it etc as well. Need it garaged ideally, and all the ones in my area are taken right now and not available for lease.
It is very nice and I know it'd be fun and teach me even more about how to ride but if I'd be worrying about cost and safety every time I walked away from it, something I never do with my Fazer.
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Not the outcome I was expecting, but [based on the above] it's definitely the wisest choice you could've made.
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