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coney
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Parking on ticketed streets Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm relatively new to this, I've been riding for about a year on a CB125 and have my test booked next week...Anyway what I'm trying to find out is when you're on a bike and you need to park and there's only space available on a ticketed street how do you overcome this obstacle.

Park anyway without a ticket? Purchase a ticket but don't display it (cos where can you display it)? Park on the path? If the traffic warden gives you a ticket, where will he put it??

What do other people do in this situation? Confused

Thanks
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Dave_R
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the local authority, some allow bikes free of charge in pay and display bays, others don't allow bikes at all.

Check the LA's website for information.

It's also worth remembering that some roads can lie in or across LA boundaries and have different parking regulations.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, it entirely depends on the location, the situation, and the whim of the local parking thugs.

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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

the town I live near has a policy of bikes not needing to buy a ticket, however they do ask you to park considerately and obey time restrictions.

private car parks are a different matter.

hospital car parks are something else

I got a telling off for not having a ticket on my bike in a hospital car park in Manchester (visiting wife and newborn) he hadn't put a ticket on it yet

I firstly asked how he knew I had not bought a ticket since they don't have a sticky bit on anymore and then politely pointed out that the rules on the sign clearly stated "find space before buying ticket" and since I hadn't found a space (patch of wasteland at edge of car park) I therefore had not fulfilled the criteria for buying a ticket.

I then pointed out that the instructions for after buying a ticket were to display it in my windscreen, again, no sticky to do so and also no windscreen just a bit of black plastic wind deflector.

by this point I'd gotten bored and was on the bike so went home, 2 years ago and nowt came of it.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

in Bedford Borough there is loads of paid parking zones, bikes are exempt, though you are supposed to park "perpendicular to the kerb"

trying to get a straight answer out of anyone from Luton or Dunstable council was impossible, the person I spoke to from Dunstable seemed to relish giving me literal answers to my questions with a view to being as unhelpful as possible

I never have worked out where to park a bike in Luton, so I pay a lot of money, and invoice my employer on expenses

Got to got to Aldersgate soon. Train shame. Embarassed Just can't face dicking about, lost in a one way system looking to park.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the notices for the parking rules. They are normally at the machine or about 6' up a lamp post or a designated parking pole.
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Undinist
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't pay. I post this on all parking threads.

What I've been doing for the last couple of decades is park on a yellow line and remove my number plate and tax disc. The parking officers can't issue a ticket without your registration. The frame number is of no use to them because they don't have full access to the DVLA database. (A local warden showed me his terminal the other day.) They will only get your bike removed if it's causing an obstruction. N.B. On the pavement can count as obstruction.

I've tested this theory over and over again in Lambeth and Westminster. In other areas you might want to wait and see what the parking officer does before leaving your bike. If the local policy is severe they can call a car removal truck. They add slings to the crane so it can lift bikes. I understand they do this in the City of London. But in Lambeth and Westminster the officer just walks on by and doesn't make a record of your bike.

A parked bike with no number plate can attract attention from the police. It doesn't seem to in London, they're just too busy. UNLESS the bike's next to a potential terrorist target. This happened to me once - I parked somewhere really stupid.

Some police know where to look for a frame number, so theoretically they can get the bike's DVLA record checked over the radio and write you penalty notices for the parking and for no number plate. And if they've bothered to do all this they will probably be nitpicking traffic officers who will check your tyres, MoT, insurance, tax AND get your bike removed. This has never happened to me. But I could imagine it happening somewhere quiet where the police aren't busy.
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thx1138
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
Don't pay. I post this on all parking threads.

What I've been doing for the last couple of decades is park on a yellow line and remove my number plate and tax disc. The parking officers can't issue a ticket without your registration. The frame number is of no use to them because they don't have full access to the DVLA database. (A local warden showed me his terminal the other day.) They will only get your bike removed if it's causing an obstruction. N.B. On the pavement can count as obstruction.

I've tested this theory over and over again in Lambeth and Westminster. In other areas you might want to wait and see what the parking officer does before leaving your bike. If the local policy is severe they can call a car removal truck. They add slings to the crane so it can lift bikes. I understand they do this in the City of London. But in Lambeth and Westminster the officer just walks on by and doesn't make a record of your bike.

A parked bike with no number plate can attract attention from the police. It doesn't seem to in London, they're just too busy. UNLESS the bike's next to a potential terrorist target. This happened to me once - I parked somewhere really stupid.

Some police know where to look for a frame number, so theoretically they can get the bike's DVLA record checked over the radio and write you penalty notices for the parking and for no number plate. And if they've bothered to do all this they will probably be nitpicking traffic officers who will check your tyres, MoT, insurance, tax AND get your bike removed. This has never happened to me. But I could imagine it happening somewhere quiet where the police aren't busy.


A theory I would consider putting to the test next time I'm riding an old nail worth £300 or less. Thinking
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
the town I live near has a policy of bikes not needing to buy a ticket, however they do ask you to park considerately and obey time restrictions.

private car parks are a different matter.

hospital car parks are something else

I got a telling off for not having a ticket on my bike in a hospital car park in Manchester (visiting wife and newborn) he hadn't put a ticket on it yet

I firstly asked how he knew I had not bought a ticket since they don't have a sticky bit on anymore and then politely pointed out that the rules on the sign clearly stated "find space before buying ticket" and since I hadn't found a space (patch of wasteland at edge of car park) I therefore had not fulfilled the criteria for buying a ticket.

I then pointed out that the instructions for after buying a ticket were to display it in my windscreen, again, no sticky to do so and also no windscreen just a bit of black plastic wind deflector.

by this point I'd gotten bored and was on the bike so went home, 2 years ago and nowt came of it.


I had a similar experience when my daughter was born I was going in and out the carpark through the middle of some bollards as it was a barrier
security moaned and said I could be fined for not getting a ticket
so I would go in through the barrier get a ticket and leave by the bollards the other end of the carpark

also there is a carpark by me that says bikes could park free in a bike bay but there is no bike bay I asked a warden about this and she said I had to park somewhere else next carpark is half a mile away Laughing

spoke to another who said I could park anywhere and wouldn't get a ticket and if I did they would cancel it as it was a badly signed carpark
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thx1138
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worthing Hospital, last time I was there, bikes had to pay £1.

Sign said visit ticket office, which was a shed, bloke took £1 off me, and then told me to ride around the barrier. No ticket, no receipt.

Didn't pay again.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If the traffic warden gives you a ticket, where will he put it??"

He will stick it to you seat believe me, I've been ticketed before, funnily enough it was in Wigan doing my theory test Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is depressing. Everybody wants to pay up, nobody but me removes their number plate. So much for the rebellious biker! I honestly can't remember ever paying to park a bike. Bike parking always used to be free, and bikes on yellow lines were always tolerated by police traffic wardens. That's the way it should be - we take up so little space. The thieving councils who've brought in zero tolerance for bikes on yellow lines, and pay and display bike bays and residents parking permits for bikes...they can all fuck right off, they're not getting a penny from me.
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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:

I had a similar experience when my daughter was born I was going in and out the carpark through the middle of some bollards as it was a barrier
security moaned and said I could be fined for not getting a ticket
so I would go in through the barrier get a ticket and leave by the bollards the other end of the carpark


got my dad's car locked in a car park once an hour before it was due to shut for the night

phoned up to ask about getting out to be told it was £100 cash, I asked about the sign saying when the car park was due to close and was told it didn't matter.

responded with I was leaving the car park and wasn't paying, this was met with threats to be sued for damages to barrier.

half way through phone call I'd paced out the width between bollards… Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely removing the number plate whilst being on a public road is illegal? Can't the bike get removed by the police/council?
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

KnuckleShot wrote:
Surely removing the number plate whilst being on a public road is illegal?

<technically>All vehicles must have a VRM plate on them at all times, no exceptions, even on private property.</technically>

KnuckleShot wrote:
Can't the bike get removed by the police/council?

<technically>If it's obstructing the highway or if they decide that it's been abandoned.</technically>

<practically>Sure, if they're equipped for it.</practically>
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

KnuckleShot wrote:
Surely removing the number plate whilst being on a public road is illegal? Can't the bike get removed by the police/council?


Yes and yes. I tried to cover those points in my first post in this thread. Have another read.

For maximum convenience I use a thin bendy plate https://r.ebay.com/1I7frB and mount it on velcro.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you end up having to buy and display a ticket stick it to your screen and take a couple of mobile phone pictures of it in situ on your screen with a close up showing the time, date and amount paid. If the pay and display machine isn't working record yourself on your mobile phone putting your money in and the machine rejecting it. Appeal any ticket and take your evidence to PATAS / TPT, win.
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