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 Posted: 15:15 - 16 Sep 2015 Post subject: Too much rich mixture? |
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Hi, I have a kawasaki kmx 125 1997 year. From front expansion chamber limiter is taken out (washer)
I don't know, but it have or not more limiters this bike?
Also, my bike starts without choke, my spark plug is black and until 6000 rpm bike is choking then goes like hell...
So I think the bike is running too much rich? My main jet is 107.5, the original is 102.5, so I think it's the problem, yes?
But what about exception that limiter - washer was took out? Maybe then it should be 103.5 or 104.5. I don't know really in all of that.
Also, maybe the sport air filter would help (to make more air)? Because the 107.5 means more power, but need to adjust the bike...
SO REALLY NEED HELP HERE, GOOD ADVICE .
Is this a sport air filter https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-KMX-125-Luftfilter-Twin-Air-Sportluftfilter-/130642388904?hash=item1e6ae4a7a8&vxp=mtr ????
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Why and who put the jet there and are you sure the choke is not stuck fully/partially closed? Also, bigger jet does not simply mean more power.
Good advice: put it back to the factory specs or pay someone to tune the engine up. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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There's no other restrictors on the KMX125 except the removed exhaust washer you've taken out.
The 107.5 main jet is 2 sizes bigger than std. If the bike is running the normal oil injection and the airbox lid is intact/ not been modified, then go back to a 102.5MJ.
personally since someone was in there before I would remove the carb, and strip it down for a good clean, and then check all of the specs and settings against the manual. Everything from float height, pilot jet, needle taper and clip position, and the main jet also. Make it all standard like RhynoCZ says, and then try from there.
If the air box lid is missing, or has had the intake snorkel part cut out of the lid, then you will need to up-jet the carb, as it does seem to have an effect on airflow, and people have modified the air box lid on KMX 125's to try and improve performance, but you need the correct jetting changes to suit or it will run worse than std or too lean.
The Twin air filter seems to be a good quality part, but I would have doubts how any aftermarket foam filter is going to flow more or less air than another foam filter if fitted into the std airbox. |
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I very much doubt I can learn very much you at all.
manufactures and tuning companies spend huge amounts of time and money to get these things correct.
do you know how to calculate stoichiometry for petrol engines. I reckon not. if you really want to get anal about it, you need to take into account everything that enters the engine, every different type of gas and every compound found in fuel - when you can do this you can recommend the surface area of filter that should be fitted, then you can tell every one the exact dimension of the pleats that need to be folded into it
there has also been a lack of a mention about float high too, there is another thing that can affect the running of a machine.
if I were the op, I would take the carb off, clean it thoroughly, set it back to standard (inclusive of main jet), with a standard air box then check how it runs, a bit of hot plugging and I suspect that a half turn out on the fuel mixture screw is all that it will be needed.
it would be helpful to see pictures of the plug, it may not even be a fuel richness issue, but an oil issue as it contributes to the combustion cycle of 2 strokes engines.
tuning engines is not a simple task, it takes time and money, and if you get it wrong enough it can be really bad news. ____________________ Current rides - 2016 Triumph Street Triple Rx, 1994 Suzuki Bandit 400 VM, TGB 204 Classic 125cc
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| orac wrote: | I very much doubt I can learn very much you at all.
manufactures and tuning companies spend huge amounts of time and money to get these things correct.
do you know how to calculate stoichiometry for petrol engines. I reckon not. if you really want to get anal about it, you need to take into account everything that enters the engine, every different type of gas and every compound found in fuel - when you can do this you can recommend the surface area of filter that should be fitted, then you can tell every one the exact dimension of the pleats that need to be folded into it
there has also been a lack of a mention about float high too, there is another thing that can affect the running of a machine.
if I were the op, I would take the carb off, clean it thoroughly, set it back to standard (inclusive of main jet), with a standard air box then check how it runs, a bit of hot plugging and I suspect that a half turn out on the fuel mixture screw is all that it will be needed.
it would be helpful to see pictures of the plug, it may not even be a fuel richness issue, but an oil issue as it contributes to the combustion cycle of 2 strokes engines.
tuning engines is not a simple task, it takes time and money, and if you get it wrong enough it can be really bad news. |
I'll tell you what you do not know. You do not know the proper way to conduct your behaviour on a public forum.
You don't know what I know. So you cannot make any reasonable assumptions.
Do try not to be so ill mannered. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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| orac wrote: | hmm manners hey, yet you are the only one calling people names and telling them they should have been aborted. maybe you should take a look at yourself before you tell anybody what they are, what they should have been and what they should do.
insular small minded bully with a napoleon complex would be a great description you |
Sir, do you remember the order of the exchange?
Without even directing any comment at you or in your direction.
| orac wrote: | MCN go away - if I am getting irritated with you, you must be seriously annoying. |
Then after I answered your jibe in kind.
| orac wrote: | do you know how to calculate stoichiometry for petrol engines. I reckon not. if you really want to get anal about it, |
You instigated the flaming if that is what you intended.
I don't know if that is so or perhaps I miss-interpreted the context of your post.
Please accept my humble apology if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I have to say again. You do not know what I know so you should not assume what I know. That may be seen, in some ways, as impolite.
Why do I have to rhyme off mass equations for each and every post.
If you want to know ask me or google it.
A lot of discussion between people goes on without need to quote the givens.
My mistake for 'assuming' I was addressing my peers.
As is usually the case, a vague post that starts a thread leads to wild assumptions from participants as the thread goes on.
It is easily derailed by perceived ill mannered outbursts.
I am not innocent of this. But I hope that is simply miss-interpretation.
Napoleon: He was a very very powerful, popular and courageous world leader. Thank you for the compliment Sir.
Or have I boobed and miss-interpretatededed your intention.
Apologies again as I have to ignore Paddy, 'The Potato in the Room', as he has me set to enemy and I cannot see wot he rote.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 136 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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