Post full licence training

[Simba76]

Probably opening a can of worms here but how do you guys feel about after training once you've passed the full test?
I've recently passed my full license and while I think I'm doing fine out on my own on the "big bike" I wonder what experiences and advice you might give for additional training.
I feel like I'm good on the roads I know, but there are times when coming into corners and twistes that I feel I could be more confident and assertive.
Running slightly wide a few times, nothing dangerous, just momentarily unnerving.
Will it just come with time?
Do some of you wish you'd had more training when you started?
What do other new bikers think?
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[Andy_Pagin]

Personally I got out on the bike as much as possible after passing, there's no substitute for practice.
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[Sheshka]

I've been toying around with the idea of doing Bikesafe...but umming and ahhing on account of only passing my test 2.some weeks ago. Would be especially interested in answers to the above involving that

Suspect I should just get on with it on the basis that stopping any bad habits earlier is better. Would be nice to get a perspective on safe riding rather than "DSA approved" (Filtering wasn't covered in my DAS....nor is using the bus lanes popular for the test centre local to me.... that struck me as odd)

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[CaNsA]

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[Simba76]

Cheers for the input so far.
Thanks Cancer, very helpful links. Been watching TOTW2 with that bleach blonde goatee chap. Interesting stuff.
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[Val]

Bikesafe is nice, but do not expect to learn something. They assess your ride, you have fun, meet nice people and drink tea. You can have few usefil tips too. But this is not training.

All the advanced riding - not sure its worth at all.

For me make sense only to have some real machine control training in controlled environment not on public roads, like these:

https://i2imca.com/MachineControl.asp

https://www.circuitbasedtraining.co.uk/courses/advanced-cornering-mallory-325

And many more track training schools like California Superbike etc.
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[Tomkilleen]

Well done on getting your test sorted.

I have been riding and training a while, infact I notice someone has posted my website link above lol (i2i motorcycle academy)

Anyway there are two things that every single rider should be good at.

1. Understanding Roadcraft and how the system works (book called "the police riders handbook" Motorcycle Roadcraft)

2. Having the confidence to control the machine by using techniques that work not relying on "looking where you want to go" or other common suggestion that work, but only by accident and are no good if the pressure of a situation causes the rider to panic

The first point is self explanatory however I would suggest that before dismissing the benifit of advance training one should understand what it is. In short the system of machine control was developed to help police riders and drivers to proceed from point a to b as quickly as possible (above the speed limit most of the time) but not reducing their safety shield through planning,control and observation. As it is not possible for civilian riders to ride above the speed limit by law, the advanced training is implied as a means to ride at the speed limit where it is SAFE, LEGAL and benificial to make PROGRESS.

For the 2nd point

Machine Control (being able to use the motorycle correctly and efficiently) is not about skill. It is all about understanding and confidence. For example many riders will not know how they actualy get their bike around a corner. They will have an idea but they will have very little understanding as to the exact input they make in order to lean, what that does for the stability of the bike if anything, and how much grip they have at any one time ect.This is but one of many example I could suggest.

Ask yourself if you can honestly predict the distance it will take you to stop at 30,40,50,60 mph in the dry and the wet, on the straight and in a bend.

Once you think about that, do you feel your guess is accurate and if so do you think the bike could stop faster if you have more confidence or technique.

Depending on how you feel aboub those few points should go along way in helping you decide if more training is a good idea.

Tom
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[MCN]

If you don't have access to more experienced rider in your 'circle' then by all menas get some extra training/tips/woteva form one of the organisations who run that sort of stuff.

IAM is one of the most widely known but that doesn't mean they are best.

I don't know what they do as I never joined them on a ride.

Think Pipe, Slippers and warm Stout/Ale sort of thing. (Harris Tweed base layer and Deerstalker under helmet).
Actually that is the popular impression but I have heard/read they do a decent job.

You wont get any confidence in your abilities by making mistakes. Some of those might be enough to put you off.
The extra training comes with some 'camaraderie' too I suppose (if you like supping tepid ale).

If you think you need or would benefit from training go for it.
IAM I believe, you only pay membership and the instructor's petrol.
Other arrangements you pay for the instructor too.
Bikesafe is very worthwhile as you will learn what the PoPo expect and how they suggest you should ride.
Bike cops I know are in fact 100% Homo Sapiens (apart from one bearded bastirt) and the day out with the bike polis is not wasted time.

People slag off the Police Roadcraft manual but for an inexperienced rider there is a wealth of useful info to be found in it. It will do more good than harm.

You never know, you may become almost as good as a 'Bike God' like me someday.

(Throws Gauntlet. )
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[a2amali]

Actually I asked the same question to my instructor and he told me to do a track day, you learn a lot about the bike on the track which you do not on the road, also go for a biking long weekend with other bikers. You will learn a lot.
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