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PostPosted: 09:45 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Disc lock or padlock? Reply with quote

Whats the difference
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41O0H-9%2BkOL._SY300_.jpg

https://antonlocks.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/padlocks2.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Security wise i mean
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Because yellow. Thumbs Up

The shackle isn't exposed on a disc lock, so it's notionally more secure against cropping or sawing.

They're both mainly visual deterrents against casual ride-offs though.

Anyone who wants your bike will come equipped to remove whatever's on it, will lift it into a van (easier if you've locked the front), or if truly pikey can just unbolt the brake disc. BodyGuard's probably ridden with worse.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a brand you recommend or a price bracket?
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what security you're after really. I rarely travel without my 19mm Almax chain, which gets looped through the rear wheel, swing arm, and a fixed object. Any form of disk lock would just be an added extra for myself.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price you are willing to pay pretty much determines the brand. How much do you want to spend?

I have a Xena X2 disc lock that cost a little over £20. They are a solid lock with a 14mm pin, good for the price make a decent visual deterrent.

https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0053/2163/xena_x1_x2_disc_locks_detail.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind spending up to about 60 quid

Would a chain be better than a disc lock?
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you not spend more and get both for added security?
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to have to carry lots of gear around though
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends where and for how long you expect to leave your bike,

For a whole day while at work with the bike in say a bike park area in London on the street, I'd want a chain round something solid.

Going to the shops for an hour or bike parked in a 'secure' carpark, I make do with a disk lock.

At night, in the garage, Chain and anchor, car in front of the door, big dog with access to the garage Laughing

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatt0owarrior wrote:
I don't want to have to carry lots of gear around though

If you don't carry enough then you might find yourself not being able to carry any.

Hang on... GS125 bobber?

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all got to start somewhere chum!
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to carry it everywhere - as Polar said:
Polarbear wrote:
It depends where and for how long you expect to leave your bike,

For a whole day while at work with the bike in say a bike park area in London on the street, I'd want a chain round something solid.

Going to the shops for an hour or bike parked in a 'secure' carpark, I make do with a disk lock.

At night, in the garage, Chain and anchor, car in front of the door, big dog with access to the garage Laughing

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Personally, going to the shops steering lock and disc lock is all I use cause I'm only there at the most 15 minutes.
If I'm going the girlfriends then I take the chain with me cause the area isn't exactly the best.
If I was you, I really wouldn't risk it because if your bike goes missing you won't be happy, not saying getting additional security will stop that but can prevent so you are able to save your bike, possibly.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£60 isn't going to get you a top end chain and lock, you need to at least double that for something decent like an Almax. That puts you in the realm of Oxford products and the like so you may as well just go for a cheap chain/lock set and a disc lock.

What you are getting is at least a visual deterrent and the choice to carry either/or. Trouble is £60 worth of security isn't going to stop a determined scrote for long.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use one of these. Its certainly sturdy; working fine after being run over by many, many vehicles on the M3 Whistle.

My bikes alarmed so I didn't bother with an alarmed disc lock, but i'd go for an alarmed one otherwise as that little extra bit of deterant (and its often cheaper than buying an alarm system anyway).

Having said that, I wouldn't trust any disc lock to keep a bike safe in most situations, two people can easily drag a disc locked bike into a van. I'd go for an almax/ground anchor if you want to try and secure it reasonably well.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your budget is limited, it might be cost-effective to buy a lock for your chain which can also be a disc lock. The logic being if the bike is chained up then you won't need a disc lock, less weight, fewer keys, etc.

I've got this lock;
https://www.pjbsecurity.co.uk/images/173t.jpg
PJB disc lock. It can be had for around £45, it's compact and with a meaty 21mm shackle. Do check you've got a 21mm+ gap in your gn125 disc though.

You can then buy a 16mm chain of your choice/budget and fit the lock through the chokered link. Squire Ex-Calibur 16mm chains are reasonable, a 1.2m length can be had for £65 delivered. As said, avoid Oxford chains.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Additionally if you're on a budget, you can cheaply pick up heavy lifting chains from some places. It's not advertised but if you find somewhere that uses them, they often have chains that can no longer be used for their purpose but would cheaply secure a bike.

I used to have a 13mm one that was 2m long that I got for £10. I bought a (what I think is) a shipping container padlock for £25. Total of £35.

It won't be the best chain money can buy, and whilst I have no evidence, I can't imagine it being worse than many £60-80 chains you can pick up from the likes of Oxford.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Image of my lifting chain, my almax, and an Oxford chain.

https://i.imgur.com/DBcVvn0.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 28 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Image of my lifting chain, my almax, and an Oxford chain.

https://i.imgur.com/DBcVvn0.jpg


Pictures speak a thousound words, this post deserves a sticky on its own.

1.5 meters for the 16mm III series £159, I know what my next purchase is.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that you can get 16mm long-link lift chain for £16.95 a metre delivered, from eBay.

No, it's not Almax / Pragmassis, but it'll provide a good reason for them to steal the bike next to yours.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
J.M. wrote:
Image of my lifting chain, my almax, and an Oxford chain.

https://i.imgur.com/DBcVvn0.jpg


Pictures speak a thousound words, this post deserves a sticky on its own.

1.5 meters for the 16mm III series £159, I know what my next purchase is.


Should have Hoovered that carpet first though. Embarassed

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool that's cheap enough I'll get some chain as well then
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of length should i get one or two metres?
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatt0owarrior wrote:
What sort of length should i get one or two metres?


Attempting to use a 1 meter chain to street furniture will just result in damage plastics / fairings as it's far to short (ask me how I found out Rolling Eyes ). 2 meters if 1.5 isn't available, depends on how many you want to carry to and from destination with you and the weight of it, also budget for a decent lock with the chain.

4. something kg per meter ebay ad says.

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Any cheaper recommended locks to combine that with? (searching their ebay page for "locks" brings lots of results, no idea what one would fit or would be suitable).

Looking at that picture gives me every reason to still want an almax regardless of price. I think a combination of almax when out and about and then your link for when locked away sounds ideal.. that is so that worst case scenario I can sell the almax towards a new bike. Laughing
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