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Snorty
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Why is there such misinformation around this subject?

I have a Cat B bike in my garage, but I've been thinking of putting a little money into it and getting it back on the road (for my own use).

Looking it up, a lot of people believe it can only be sold for parts.

Looking at this link: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/returning_a_motorcycle_to_the_ro

It seems that all it would need is to be "roadworthy" and get MOTed?

Any BCFers care to correct / confirm this?
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Yes, but you would also need to insure it. Doubt you can get sensibly priced cover.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had to pay a premium to insure an previously written off car.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Yes, but you would also need to insure it. Doubt you can get sensibly priced cover.


When getting a quote, there is no section asking whether the bike has been previously written off.

I'm guessing afterwards they'd ring you and try put the price up. If they haven't asked, then you don't have to disclose, surely?

Unless they check the registration during a quote.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
I've never had to pay a premium to insure an previously written off car.


Have you ever tried to insure a CAT B car though?

EDIT: Also wouldn't the bike have to go on a Q plate?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
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It seems that all it would need is to be "roadworthy" and get MOTed?
Any BCFers care to correct / confirm this?

Correct. It's not the same as a car.

Caveat is there may be something against it on the computer when it comes to MOT. That might mean the tester (depends on where taken) takes a special interest in the straightness of the frame and everything is square and secure.

There was a trick posted on here where you try and put an ad in autotrader to sell it'll flag up if bike has any cat write off against it to check.

I'd assume insurance have access to the same information. Can confirm never been asked. Never had it come up specifically with a quote.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's no issue, just return to road. Maybe mot if insurance ask for it.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
...EDIT: Also wouldn't the bike have to go on a Q plate?

If referring to bike and not car then if owner has the V5 then I'd assume insurance effectively sold back to them and V5 still has owners info.

Otherwise insurance would have had to take V5 and complete scapped section and give the frame with the same number as on V5 to scrapper.

As I'm assuming frame exists then it should still have a registration number allocated to it, as on the V5.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat B does not "exist" to the world, only insurers.

Make no mention of it when registering, insuring, MOT'ing. Just get it to road condition and go.

Ask them to quote any statute which prevents you returning it to the road.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
It seems that all it would need is to be "roadworthy" and get MOTed?

Why would it need to be MOTd?

By which I mean: what offence would you be committing if you didn't?

Snorty wrote:
Why is there such misinformation around this subject?

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PostPosted: 13:44 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:52 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It currently has no MOT, it has been stood in the garage a while.

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PostPosted: 13:53 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
kramdra wrote:
Yes, but you would also need to insure it. Doubt you can get sensibly priced cover.


When getting a quote, there is no section asking whether the bike has been previously written off.

I'm guessing afterwards they'd ring you and try put the price up. If they haven't asked, then you don't have to disclose, surely?

Unless they check the registration during a quote.



I should reword that. I expect when you provide the registration to get a quote, most insurers would refuse to quote because it is cat B. Ive never tried so likely Im wrong, but whats the point in having CAT A and CAT B if insurers will ignore it.

What happens if a CAT B frame fails at 70mph and kills a bus full of children Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then the overpopulation problem is an ant's step closer to being solved.

I'd be impressed with any NSR 125 that can get up to the required kinetic energy to kill a bus full of children. Razz
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Why would it need to be MOTd?
By which I mean: what offence would you be committing if you didn't?...
Snorty wrote:
It currently has no MOT, it has been stood in the garage a while...
Very Happy Section 47 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:


Have you ever tried to insure a CAT B car though?

EDIT: Also wouldn't the bike have to go on a Q plate?


Yes my current car was a cat B in 1999 when it was 1 year old.

No, the bike retains it's reg untill it is scrapped and a disposal letter is sent to the DVLA (which they will lose and you will get a "fine")
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will cost no more to insure than a bike the same that isn't catb Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Returning a Cat B to the road Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
whats the point in having CAT A and CAT B if insurers will ignore it.

What happens if a CAT B frame fails at 70mph and kills a bus full of children Laughing


First point, is so they can charge an assessor fee for £££

Second, as long as its in Manchester, Liverpool or Newham it would be considered a favour to humanity.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently doing just this. Long story short, purchased cat b bike, previous keeper sent of log book, after 4 weeks no logbook so send off application for new log book. Police turn up as bike had been notified by insurers as being scrapped and wanted to check the bike, agreed with me that it was the bike it is supposed to be and where surprised that it was cat b with so little damage. Swansea wanted photos of the bike, so I sent them. Spoke to Swansea yesterday, New log book has been issued and should be with me soon.
Bike, 900 divvy, needs handlebars, 1 footpeg, front fairing, and its ridable. The rest of the bike is much as you would expect for a 98 bike. Will let you know if there are any special notes on the log book when it arrives. I expect the process of mot and insurance to be straightforward
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
It currently has no MOT, it has been stood in the garage a while.

Razz

Well played, sir.

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PostPosted: 09:11 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I accidentally put a cat B bike back on the road, had it for a year then sold it to a friend who also had it on the road for a year - never had any problems with insurance.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add to my previous post, logbook arrived. Only special note that I can see is that the registration number is non transferable.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 03 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of a resurrection, and an update for those that are interested. My cat b diversion has insurance, mot and tax. All without any problems or questions about its status as a writeoff. It just took this long as I'm lazy.
Hope this helps future cat b owners.
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