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JackDanger
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Fuel cap sealing washer ybr125 Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I need to replace the seal in part 12 in the link below however I can't seem to find the exact seal I need and I'd love to avoid buying the whole cap if possible. Could anyone point me in the right direction please.


https://www.motorcyclespareparts.eu/yamaha-parts/motorcycles/ybr125ed-2009/fuel-tank-359337.aspx

thanks gang =)
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Fuel cap sealing washer ybr125 Reply with quote

JackYorkshire wrote:
Hey guys,

I need to replace the seal in part 12 in the link below however I can't seem to find the exact seal I need and I'd love to avoid buying the whole cap if possible. Could anyone point me in the right direction please.


https://www.motorcyclespareparts.eu/yamaha-parts/motorcycles/ybr125ed-2009/fuel-tank-359337.aspx

thanks gang =)


Measure the old one and match it up here.

https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=4501_4705
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure it needs replacing BTW? I've never known one to go.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Are you sure it needs replacing BTW? I've never known one to go.


Yup and it's the only thing that my MOT failed on. I was absolutely furious lol
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackYorkshire wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Are you sure it needs replacing BTW? I've never known one to go.


Yup and it's the only thing that my MOT failed on. I was absolutely furious lol

Errr what?
Does your fuel cap leak? If it leaks this would be an mot failure, but I am not sure how they would test this without shaking the bike around, which is a bit stupid and I don't think I've ever seen that done.

Does your fuel cap lock? If it does not lock then this is a fail, but it is stupid as you can buy the ridiculous plastic "lock" caps which never seal and will pass an mot, by this point you should stop reading because I am just going to talk random crap to get my karma up, because at the moment I have light gold blob next to my gold blob, so it means something negative has happened. However I find that if you post any old drivel in here you can negate the negative karma, get your karma back to where you want it, could even go past where you want it.

There is Teflon Mike who just rambles and posts complete garbage about something completely unrelated to the original question, and it is usually wrong as well, but because the system is stupid and doesn't work properly you get karma purely based on posting in here, the length of your message and how well you can spell stuff.


Now to go back, what exactly has it failed on? And how have they tested it?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yay karma.

Right the Refusal of an MOT test certificate says exactly this

001 Fuel cap sealing washer deteriorated (7.2.2c)

Heres some pictures of the bit I THINK it's referring to

https://imgur.com/a/vg49v
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not have a mate with the same bike that could loan you his cap for the test?
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Do you not have a mate with the same bike that could loan you his cap for the test?


Unfortunately not.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Are you sure it needs replacing BTW? I've never known one to go.


I immediately assumed the OP was talking about the small 'o' ring used to seal the lock barrel, not the big rubber sealing ring at the base of the cap.

My Zed leaks through the small 'o' ring, noticeable if I fill her right up on a hot day and then park her up!
I took the whole thing apart and cleaned it up, hey presto, no leaks...for about 6 weeks. Since then I CBA to take it apart again Laughing

If it's the large sealing ring and it's not riddled with huge tears, try to remove it carefully and clean it up, work plenty of Vaseline into it and then try it in place - alternately try to find someone who's breaking a bike.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 06 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is the large washer and it is not chewed up take it out and put it back upside down.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 07 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I checked last night and yes, it does appear that is a fail. How much is a new filler cap? Have you contacted a dealership to see if they can order a part in for you? Bear in mind the length of time before you have to pay for a new test.
If it goes past the 14 days, then you're £20-30 extra on top of just buying a new cap, ok it is a pain but that is life.

I once had similar on my beach buggy but that was a case of I had a non locking cap, put a locking cap on and covered my windscreen in petrol, the funny thing about petrol is that in America they call it Gasoline /ˈɡæsəliːn/, also known as petrol /ˈpɛtrəl/ outside of North America, is a transparent, petroleum-derived liquid that is used primarily as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It consists mostly of organic compounds obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum, enhanced with a variety of additives.

A 42-gallon barrel of crude oil yields about 19 gallons of gasoline, when processed in an oil refinery.

The characteristic of a particular gasoline blend to resist igniting too early (which causes knocking and reduces efficiency in reciprocating engines) is measured by its octane rating. Gasoline is produced in several grades of octane rating. Tetraethyllead and other lead compounds are no longer used in most areas to regulate and increase octane-rating, but many other additives are put into gasoline to improve its chemical stability, control corrosiveness and provide fuel system 'cleaning,' and determine performance characteristics under intended use. Sometimes, gasoline also contains ethanol as an alternative fuel, for economic or environmental reasons.

Gasoline, as used worldwide in the vast number of internal combustion engines used in transport and industry, has a significant impact on the environment, both in local effects (e.g., smog) and in global effects (e.g., effect on the climate). Gasoline may also enter the environment uncombusted, as liquid and as vapors, from leakage and handling during production, transport and delivery, from storage tanks, from spills, etc. As an example of efforts to control such leakage, many (underground) storage tanks are required to have extensive measures in place to detect and prevent such leaks.[citation needed] Gasoline contains benzene and other known carcinogens.


So when you take all of that into consideration you should really consider what the cap is doing, because you need to think of the safety
Environmental considerations[edit]
Combustion of 1 U.S. gallon (3.8 L) of gasoline produces 8,788 grams (19.374 lb) of carbon dioxide (2.3 kg/l), a greenhouse gas.[22]

The main concern with gasoline on the environment, aside from the complications of its extraction and refining, is the potential effect on the climate. Unburnt gasoline and evaporation from the tank, when in the atmosphere, react in sunlight to produce photochemical smog. Vapor pressure initially rises with some addition of ethanol to gasoline, but the increase is greatest at 10% by volume. At higher concentrations of ethanol above 10%, the vapor pressure of the blend starts to decrease. At a 10% ethanol by volume, the rise in vapor pressure may potentially increase the problem of photochemical smog. This rise in vapor pressure could be mitigated by increasing the percentage of ethanol in the gasoline mixture.

The chief risks of such leaks come not from vehicles, but from gasoline delivery truck accidents and leaks from storage tanks. Because of this risk, most (underground) storage tanks now have extensive measures in place to detect and prevent any such leaks, such as monitoring systems (Veeder-Root, Franklin Fueling).

Toxicity[edit]
The safety data sheet for unleaded gasoline shows at least 15 hazardous chemicals occurring in various amounts, including benzene (up to 5% by volume), toluene (up to 35% by volume), naphthalene (up to 1% by volume), trimethylbenzene (up to 7% by volume), methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) (up to 18% by volume, in some states) and about ten others.[23] Hydrocarbons in gasoline generally exhibit low acute toxicities, with LD50 of 700 – 2700 mg/kg for simple aromatic compounds.[24] Benzene and many antiknocking additives are carcinogenic.

Inhalation due to fuel cap not locking properly
Huffed gasoline is a common intoxicant that has become epidemic in some poorer communities and indigenous groups in Australia, New Zealand, and some Pacific Islands.[8] In response, Opal fuel has been developed by the BP Kwinana Refinery in Australia, and contains only 5% aromatics (unlike the usual 25%), which weakens the effects of inhalation.[9]

Flammability
Like other hydrocarbons, gasoline burns in a limited range of its vapor phase and, coupled with its volatility, this makes leaks highly dangerous when sources of ignition are present. Gasoline has a lower explosion limit of 1.4% by volume and an upper explosion limit of 7.6%. If the concentration is below 1.4%, the air-gasoline mixture is too lean and does not ignite. If the concentration is above 7.6%, the mixture is too rich and also does not ignite. However, gasoline vapor rapidly mixes and spreads with air, making unconstrained gasoline quickly flammable

So now you know, petrol is flammable and with a hot engine as a source of ignition I would suggest you replace your cap if you can't get the seal, or you can't turn it around like Ariel has suggested Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 07 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

New cap is about 13 quid from wemoto. I know as the seal on my old YBR wasn't fantastic and I looked into it just in case it failed its ticket but it went through anyway
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 07 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 07 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
pits wrote:

TL:DR Shocked


You are Tef's sock puppet and I claim my five ponds!! Evil or Very Mad

That's copypasta of tefs site
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