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FlightRisk
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Chain tool options? Reply with quote

Does anyone know anything about this AFAM tool? Seems elegantly minimal but not sure if that means it's actually any good: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361346850672?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Alternatively there's the DID tool clones. I watched the DID video and their tool seems really well designed (and expensive), but do the cheap ebay copies prevent you from over-tightening the plate & rivets the way the original does?

Or am I as well off to just use the tools I already have, i.e. mole grips for the plate and a hammer & a punch with a cone shaped tip, to flare the hollow link?
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whale. That is all.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
sorry for the thread hijack & this might be a silly question, but whats the story with those links with the hollow pin?
I have split & joined umpteen chains but only ever used joining links with either a spring clip so no chain tool is needed or the type with a solid rivet type pin, that i usually grind the head off to remove & peened to fasten.
can those hollow pins be re-used? they look like they would get mashed up if I used a hammer & punch.
would using a chain tool still not damage/ weaken the pin end?
or do you get replacement pins?
oh wait a minute....I guess those links are not re-used & another NEW link with NEW pins is used when splitting & rejoining the same chain, right?
just curious is all Smile

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PostPosted: 22:44 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hi,
sorry for the thread hijack & this might be a silly question, but whats the story with those links with the hollow pin?
I have split & joined umpteen chains but only ever used joining links with either a spring clip so no chain tool is needed or the type with a solid rivet type pin, that i usually grind the head off to remove & peened to fasten.
can those hollow pins be re-used? they look like they would get mashed up if I used a hammer & punch.
would using a chain tool still not damage/ weaken the pin end?
or do you get replacement pins?
oh wait a minute....I guess those links are not re-used & another NEW link with NEW pins is used when splitting & rejoining the same chain, right?
just curious is all Smile

cheers,
GAZ


Soft links. Designed to be easier to expand than a peen link but in the end do the same.

Not reused no.

Never had a problem with even the cheap chain riveter on soft links. Whale tool seems to be the latest fad doing the rounds.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Chain tool options? Reply with quote

Celt500 wrote:
Does anyone know anything about this AFAM tool?


The Afam tool is excellent.

Quote:
Seems elegantly minimal but not sure if that means it's actually any good:


It is very good for pressing on the plate and riveting the pins. It can't be used
as a chain splitter.

Quote:

Alternatively there's the DID tool clones.


I found these very poor. The riveting head was visibly damaged
after a single use and completely knackered after doing just
two chain replacements.

I used the Afam tool to rivet a 525 chain on an SV650 tonight.
This is the second time the tool has been used and it still looks
good as new.


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Or am I as well off to just use the tools I already have, i.e. mole grips for the plate and a hammer & a punch with a cone shaped tip, to flare the hollow link?


I wouldn't like to use Mole/Vice grips for either pressing or riveting.
The jaws will be angled so that you won't get a straight press on the
plate.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What chain pins??

You know there are 2 types do you?

Soft and hard head master link pins. They require completely different tools. The hard ones need special (Whale) tool!

IME the good tool for soft head pins is this one here Tsubaki Alpha (similar to DID one):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukLMe6y39-g&list=FLl7pJK6CKYf_zOByaMrD_pQ&index=8

AFAM looks like nice tool.

I have used and can recommend this one £29 tool for riveting which is absolutely identical to expensive Tsubaki Alpha and DID tools:

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/chain-tools/warrior-heavy-duty-chain-riveting-vice

Note you NEED to grind off old pins first and to use some chain break tool for splitting.

MrGs1 wrote:

The local friendly mechanic finished it with a whale riveter. I was told anything but would be shit especially from ebay.


Do not beleive local friendly mechanics especially the ones that do not know any difference between soft and hard head pin.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
What chain pins??

You know there are 2 types do you?


Yep, it's the hollow pin type DID link I need to do.
I'm not too concerned about the chain breaking bit as presumably that can be done as destructively as I like. Twisted Evil
Actually I might have a pin punch small enough, if not I'm just going to cut through the whole chain.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a £25 motion pro clone.

Works fine on DID soft links.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could save some money and just get a 525 (or whatever your chain is) split link, clip it on, ride to nearest bike mechanic, pay them a few quid to do it for you.

Just a thought.

[Awaits posts relating to imminent death due to extreme hazards and danger of using split links]
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You could save some money and just get a 525 (or whatever your chain is) split link, clip it on, ride to nearest bike mechanic, pay them a few quid to do it for you.

Just a thought.

[Awaits posts relating to imminent death due to extreme hazards and danger of using split links]


Never had a split link go on a chain beefier than 520 either.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:01 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You could save some money and just get a 525 (or whatever your chain is) split link, clip it on, ride to nearest bike mechanic, pay them a few quid to do it for you.

Just a thought.

[Awaits posts relating to imminent death due to extreme hazards and danger of using split links]


I might do that. I actually thought there'd be a split link in the packet. I was kinda amused at the text on the back that details the split link that's available and then says they strongly recommend not using one! Laughing

Personally I wouldn't run one but I'd have no issue riding to the nearest garage on one.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are literally a few quid on ebay and for a few miles it is not going to be a problem.
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