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Dante6686
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

Hi all

This time when trying to inflate the tires on my CBR600FM I told myself I've had enough of bending the valve stems so much, that you can see the cracks developing, to inflate my tires. So i bought a pair of the 45degree valve adapters, making it accessible for the air hoses on the petrol stations.
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxMjAw/z/k~UAAOSwtExVgVAn/$_35.JPG
The only thing is I've never seen anyone use them and I don't know if it's safe to always keep them screwed on the valve during riding, or, will the centrifugal force of the wheel spinning or air resistance at higher speeds be able to snap/tear the valve off? (which obviously would be really, really bad on a dual carriageway.) Anyone ever used them? Any feedback much appreciated, Thank you.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd screw them on as and when. Then next time you have a tyre fitted, get them to put in valves with the angle built-in (they should be changing the valves each time anyway but most of them cheap out on you).

You might need to supply the angled ones yourself.

Search for "angled tubeless valves"

They fit them as standard to some speed triples so they are obviously good for the speed.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cheap out on myself then because I change the tyres myself and never minded the valves - they might still be stock for all I know Smile But it's a great idea, next time I change tyres i'll fit the angled valves, Thanks.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaving them on can cause a bit of imbalance of the wheel if you whip it on fast enough.
And +1 on the cheaters.
I usually ask them if they change the valves. They don't cost that much for standard wheels.
Last pair I had fitted to my thou had a broken seal on the rear valve. The previous fitters never swapped the valve.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point - didn't think about it. These brass adapters have considerable weight - probably heavier than a counter weight stuck on my front wheel last time it was balanced, thanks
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

Dante6686 wrote:
So i bought a pair of the 45degree valve adapters, making it accessible for the air hoses on the petrol stations.


Are you using the pressure gauge on the air line at the petrol station? They can be pretty inaccurate. Be better to get a decent gauge and use a foot pump at home for infalting. Doing that you won't need to use the adaptors at all.

MCN wrote:
Leaving them on can cause a bit of imbalance of the wheel if you whip it on fast enough.


Does that come from experience or just plucked out of the air? I've used them in the past and left them on for many thousands of miles when I had my ZX6R. They didn't leak and I certainly never experienced any noticeable imbalance or vibrations because they were there.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they can be inaccurate - I stick to one air compressor at a station close to my place to know what I can expect and then check with my gauge. To be honest, differences like one or two PSI don't bother me
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Dante6686 wrote:
So i bought a pair of the 45degree valve adapters, making it accessible for the air hoses on the petrol stations.


Are you using the pressure gauge on the air line at the petrol station? They can be pretty inaccurate. Be better to get a decent gauge and use a foot pump at home for infalting. Doing that you won't need to use the adaptors at all.

MCN wrote:
Leaving them on can cause a bit of imbalance of the wheel if you whip it on fast enough.


Does that come from experience or just plucked out of the air? I've used them in the past and left them on for many thousands of miles when I had my ZX6R. They didn't leak and I certainly never experienced any noticeable imbalance or vibrations because they were there.


Plucked out of the air I put in my tyres I think. Rolling Eyes

https://www.nippynormans.com/products/f650stf650csf650gsf650-dakar/item/temporary-90-valve-stem-adaptors-bikes-with-pressure-sensors

https://www.rainbowbmw.com/reshop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=664

https://www.soundrider.com/archive/tips/motorcycle_valve_stems.aspx



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PostPosted: 16:49 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Plucked out of the air I put in my tyres I think. Rolling Eyes


There's your problem.

Get them filled with nitrogen.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have angles valves as standard on my Trophy. They really make life a lot easier.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 08 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

get one, use it, then take it off and put in pocket... Thumbs Up

left mine on, as you do........some fucker stole it... Thumbs Down


nice point about the angled valves... Karma
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

or you can buy air compressor with screw stem connector

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ring-12V-Automatic-Digital-Air-Compressor-Wheel-Tyre-Inflator-WITH-CASE-RAC635-/181872147681?hash=item2a586cbce1
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Maybe you're not able to ride the Z fast enough. Razz


Maybe you are not able to answer a simple question? What I asked was, have you used these and left them on a wheel? Are you talking from experience or just stuff you have read anecdotally?

A load of links relating to the product and what should/should not be done is mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is actual real world experience. We can all regurgitate and copy stuff from the web but what is more useful is an answer from somebody that has used the product.



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PostPosted: 10:03 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre valves aren't particularly strong, they are not designed to have extra weight hanging off them.
Leaving the extension on could cause premature and/or catastrophic failure, seems a big risk to take instead of just taking it off after use.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:


I have an air compressor on which I blew the connector just at the base of it,where you connect the air line, so might try to fix it Smile
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Tyre valves aren't particularly strong, they are not designed to have extra weight hanging off them.
Leaving the extension on could cause premature and/or catastrophic failure, seems a big risk to take instead of just taking it off after use.


That was my concern, yes - so as 'stinkwheel' suggested I will fit the angled valves next time when changing tyres Smile
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Tyre valve adapters Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
MCN wrote:
Maybe you're not able to ride the Z fast enough. Razz


Maybe you are not able to answer a simple question? What I asked was, have you used these and left them on a wheel? Are you talking from experience or just stuff you have read anecdotally?

A load of links relating to the product and what should/should not be done is mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is actual real world experience. We can all regurgitate and copy stuff from the web but what is more useful is an answer from somebody that has used the product.



I see you are still removing me from your enemy list so you can read my posts


Oh I don't need to un-enemy you to read your post. Wink


I do use the 90º adaptors but I don't leave them on. They put unnecessary weight on the valve, they can leak, they are heavy enough to affect balance. They are very easy to screw on and off again so there's no need to be a 'permanent' fix.

Sorry for posting other sources of info. I did that as it is also my opinion that 90º adaptors shouldn't be left on the valve. Simple as that.

But if you want to leave them on I won't stop you. Karma
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:12 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't leave them permanently attached. Mine lives under the seat in my tool kit and only comes out when required.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Used them many years ago on the FZ750 (16" wheel with twin disks made getting at the valve a pain). Left it on all the time. No issue with balance. But the tyre valve split, leading to an almost instantly flat front tyre (which was fun as I was doing about 65mph, just touching the brakes for a 40 limit that started with a bend, with a pillion).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:35 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatively these are pretty handy.

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71St2Py2Z6L._SX522_.jpg

(Michelin tyre valve extension on Amazon.)

Well made, easy to fit, good access, little stress on the valve and then you remove before riding.

Oh, and hello, this is my first post. There seems to be nowhere to introduce myself so I'll just dive in.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 09 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Used them many years ago on the FZ750 (16" wheel with twin disks made getting at the valve a pain). Left it on all the time. No issue with balance. But the tyre valve split, leading to an almost instantly flat front tyre (which was fun as I was doing about 65mph, just touching the brakes for a 40 limit that started with a bend, with a pillion).

All the best

Katy


That's exactly what I thought may happen. So, I'd say the answer to the question I asked and conclusion to this thread is the adapters shouldn't stay on the valve stem during riding - what I'm personally gonna do is to install 90' valve stems next time i change my tyres as I can't be bothered to shuffle through my pockets/tool kit to screw them on each time I'm inflating tyres.
Thanks everyone for your insight
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 10 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen these used by quite a few people who own bikes with limited access so as to be able to adjust their tyre pressures

https://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee429/jlao6393/RRGS%20Parts/DSC_0344a1024L.jpg

I have a 90 degree adapter that I keep in my pocket for those occasions when I might need it or when I see other people struggling to get air into their bike tyres.

But,as has been said,rubber tyre valves can become damaged,as has happened to me in the past year

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/2014-08-05%2017.48.13_zpsegnn5qmf.jpg

I am not sure what happened to the valve rubber but I did see the situation in plenty of time and replaced it before it was too late Shocked
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 10 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
I have seen these used by quite a few people who own bikes with limited access so as to be able to adjust their tyre pressures

https://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee429/jlao6393/RRGS%20Parts/DSC_0344a1024L.jpg



If you fit 90deg valves then fit this type. (As are fitted to most modern triumphs)

Dont use the rubber and brass ones, youll either snap the brass neck or split the rubber trying to push your pressure gauge on.

I've repaired a few deflated tyres where people have left the screw on adapters on and then split the valve. They are not designed to have a weight hanging off the end of them.
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