Opinions on keyless ignition systems?!

[Duvenaag]

Hey guys (and girls),

I'm a design engineering student (and biker) and the final year project I've gone for is a keyless ignition system for motorbikes.

Opinions on keyless ignition systems (smartkey etc.) on here would be solid gold !

Also really needing survey results, it's 9 or 10 questions, takes 1 minute!

https://kwiksurveys.com/s/1FkanXCd

Thanks so much in advance I can't stress how much it would mean to get some biker's results

[Matt B]

[stinkwheel]

Holy shit. Must be the season for it. Three in 24 hours. Do you think they're all on the same course?

Maybe we should have a new "surveys" section?

Surveys and Research Projects
Pay lip service to your university design project research requirements here. Had an idea and want to justify a need for it? This is the section for you. Post your half-arsed, poorly thought-out surveys here for general derision.

Although this one is a lot less half-arsed than most.

OP. Keyless/chipped/whatever systems.

What happens when someone looses the key/fob/card? Or when someone steals the bike and chops about at the wiring trying to bypass the system (you are aware that most motorcycles are stolen by lifting them into the back of a van right? Then parted out or hotwired at the thiefs leisure)

How much is it going to cost them to get their bike back up and running?

To my mind. Most systems are either
a) Fairly simple to bypass given some time.

or

b) Heavily integrated into the electronic systems of the bike necessitating hugely costly wholesale replacement/reprogramming of multiple parts in case of loss or damage to part of the system. (See Hondas HISS system for a case-in-point).

Keyless ignition will not stop someone stealing a motorcycle. It will just make it more expensive to fix if it comes back.

I leave the keys in my bikes but the bikes locked in a garage on the basis that if someone breaks into the garage, the bikes are gone anyway. Experience has taught me that if they weren't parted out and turn up again, the damage done bypassing the ignition is tricky and expensive to rectify. I now just leave them the key.
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[Matt B]

[Rogerborg]

[Andy_Pagin]

dunny? as in the Aussie slang for toilet?

Forget it, it's been done, someone I met on the rage ride protest a few years ago had it.
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[blueglue]

You can get these as a universal kit and BMW have it as an optional extra.

You still need the key for the fuel cap on most of them

Maybe design an engine cut off switch for Harley riders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G84cNGqFOWw

[Duvenaag]

woah woah woah guys I didn't mean to piss anyone off...

but you're right, I shouldn't have just swaggered in and expected applause, i apologise!

I've had quite a few extra responses so thanks for that!

and I'm trying to get this degree so i can afford something better than my piece of shit '96 yammy SR in the future

[Duvenaag]

[Duvenaag]

[Rogerborg]

... actually, it's not that bad a survey.

Although how can you design something that's already on the market?

I can't see how your questions will help you to distinguish your solution from the ones that manufacturers actually buy.
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[Duvenaag]

[stinkwheel]

Maybe we should take the rotor arm* away in our pocket when we park up.

I parked a GPZ500 on the street for 2 years with a simple flick-switch instead of an ignition key. Chained to a bar with a padlock and chain.

*CDI being the modern equivalent?
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[Duvenaag]

[Duvenaag]

[RhynoCZ]

Why are you trying to achieve something, that has already been achieved before?

Kawasaki GTR 1400, for instance. Is this your first semester at the faculty or is this the last year of studies and you need a final project? If latter, look somewhere else, make something much simpler. This idea is so stupid, only negligible percentage of motorcycle manufacturers use such a device.

If you really are a motorcyclist, then pick one thing that you find annoying or you would change to be happier about your motorbike. Is really the need of a key in the ignition barrel so much of a nuisance to you? Bear in mind, keyless or not, you are still going to need to bring some device with you to ride + the system would drain the battery.
OR is this one of those ,,simple on/off switch'' somewhere under the tank, so you don't need a key? A couple of wires + the switch, there you're done. People do this with their track/race bikes. Not really convenient for a road legal motorcycle parked outside.

Make a device, that if you don't punch in a code, will turn the ignition off after a couple of seconds/minutes and start honking the horn with the S-O-S distress signal. OR for the ABS bikes, it will turn off the ignition and lock the front wheel when at speed.

What ever the system will be, it can't really drain the battery when the bike is not in use, because that's what we hate.
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[J.M.]

Keyless ignition systems are often created by people without either the knowledge or resources to create them securely.

Research has already proven how insecure system such as VWs are. I highly doubt that it will be a long time until scrotes can get their hands on out-of-the-box solutions and don't need the technical understanding of the research done.

One of the security researchers at my university has a device that after seeing a car being opened twice, can then be plugged in to a computer for 30 minutes of processing, and then the device can be used to unlock and drive away that vehicle.
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[J.M.]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Enjoy my respnses...
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[Duvenaag]

[Duvenaag]

[grr666]

I test rode a 2015 Harley Iron 883 the other week . It had keyless start, I thought that was quite smart.
It was the only feature on the bike that made me say 'ooh that's good', in EVERY other way though it was rubbish.
(Sorry HK & I know yours isn't an Iron) but this bike was slooooooooooow, heaaaaaaaavvvy and sounded brooooooooken.
I only put my name down for a test ride to enter the current competition, if I won the bike though,
I'd sell it immediately. No, I have not caught teh aidsgay. I thought I'd see what the fuss is about, spectacularly failed to
achieve enlightenment. Do not want. But the point is OP, as already said, its already being done. I'll leave the survey.
I have to go stand in the corner now with a dunces cap on 'cos I rode a Harley on purpose.
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[Duvenaag]

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