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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Automatic barrier. Reply with quote

I learned today that my bike ('03 R1) may be the only one at work which doesn't trigger the automatic barrier to lift when leaving the site. I always have to wait for the security guards to turn around, see me through the window and push the button. I also have to copy their mime by rolling back and forth (to no avail), so they clearly expect bikes to just ride through. Today I happened to meet another rider in the shed (a rare occurrence because I'm usually last in) who told me his VFR800 has no such problem. The barrier has an infra-red beam in front of it and a magnetic loop in the Tarmac although I don't know if they are both on. What's going on?
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PostPosted: 05:20 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can see the buried loop, try putting your bike across one of the corners, they are more sensitive there. We've got one at work and that's how the push bikes activate it to lift the barrier, someone even sprayed a little cycle logo to remind them.
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PostPosted: 06:12 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Automatic barrier. Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I always have to wait for the security guards to turn around


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PostPosted: 06:42 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago I was working in a car compound and one of the sheds had the magnetic loop in the ground which I could activate by scuffing my boot over the corner, I thought it must have been the steel toe cap, but it wouldn't work for the agency staff.... turns out the boots I had steel mid-sole protection and they didn't.

@ CaNsA, I've never known any companies that provide the guards with soundproof gatehouses, I may not be too familiar with the R1, but I doubt it sounds like an electric car when running
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if this is an old wives tale and also applies to those traffic lights which are controlled by the induced magnetic ground loops, but try gluing some neodymium magnets onto your sump? If one of those bad boys the size of a 5p piece is strong enough to retrieve a few screws from your battery tray, half dozen may be sufficient to disrupt the magnetic field. I think I may have read it on here years ago.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glue the magnets on the top of the sidestand "foot".

Ride over sensor, put stand down, barrier opens.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our place uses forward facing ANPR to let you in. Pain in the arse at unmanned gates.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 15 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my place, all barriers are about 3 foot shorter than they could be, meaning bikes can slip past unhindered. Rather helpful as the auto barriers do not register my existence.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 15 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
If you can see the buried loop, try putting your bike across one of the corners.


I was keen to test this yesterday but, for the first time ever, the barrier lifted well before I got there. As I passed I could see the security guard already at the window and waving me through. Is this the power of BCF?
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 15 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
yen_powell wrote:
If you can see the buried loop, try putting your bike across one of the corners.


I was keen to test this yesterday but, for the first time ever, the barrier lifted well before I got there. As I passed I could see the security guard already at the window and waving me through. Is this the power of BCF?
I used to lay temporary traffic counting loops on the roads and to test them without a car (we used to be dropped off with all the gear and picked up later) the corner was the best place to pass a bit of metal over.

The rubber tubes across the road are tested with a double hammer tap to see if the counter registers a single car.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 15 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This evening I tried shuffling back and forth over the corners and even putting my side-stand on it but no luck. Maybe I should choose between magnets or casting aside my British reluctance about using the horn. Still, maybe the R1's stealth applies to Gatsos too.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 17 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:26 - 17 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02:42 - 19 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i was on a 125, it didnt trigger the detection loops for traffic lights. I kept getting stuck waiting to turn right off of dual carriageways. Probably about as much metal as an r3.

535 usually triggers traffic lights. Still fails with certain security gates. A pair of horns that don't sound too pathetic work in most places. Except the royal fail parcel collection site. Which has no human security near the barrier, and the royal fail barriers are vicious things that drop rapidly so no following a car through.

Some loops seem to work if i drop my sidestand and paddle back and forth over them.

Fear the barriers in multi-storey carparks. if there is one that holds you on a slope, it will have problems with motorcycles.
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PostPosted: 03:57 - 19 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite the same thing but do you ever get a particular set of traffic lights that just doesn't pick you up when you're the only one waiting?

Then, as soon as a car pulls up behind you, lights change. Twats.

EDIT: ^^ Just saw the post above saying same thing. It's only one set of lights near my house that do it to me, no matter what bike I'm on.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 19 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My last bike, Honda Firestorm, would constantly not trigger the sensors at traffic lights. I have an assumption, the engine casing and oil reservoir which took up most of the bottom of the bike was made out of aluminium which is not magnetic. Thus causing no end of hassle at lights.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 19 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago the wife and me were checking into a plush hotel in Erfurt, Germany. I asked about the parking for the bike and was given a swipe card and directed to the underground parking at the rear of the hotel. The entry barrier was partway down a very steep ramp. The FJR was loaded up with all the gear and it's a big lump of a thing anyway so I approached the barrier with caution. With front brake on I swiped the card - NOTHING, the barrier wouldn't open! I was stuck there for around 20 minutes unable to turn the bike on the steep and narrow lamp. I couldn't pull it back up backwards due to the slope and the weight of the bike. A car driver eventually arrived and his swipe card opened the barrier.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 19 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you regularly get stuck at the same lights report to council, "fix my street" app works.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
A few years ago the wife and me were checking into a plush hotel in Erfurt, Germany. I asked about the parking for the bike and was given a swipe card and directed to the underground parking at the rear of the hotel. The entry barrier was partway down a very steep ramp. The FJR was loaded up with all the gear and it's a big lump of a thing anyway so I approached the barrier with caution. With front brake on I swiped the card - NOTHING, the barrier wouldn't open! I was stuck there for around 20 minutes unable to turn the bike on the steep and narrow lamp. I couldn't pull it back up backwards due to the slope and the weight of the bike. A car driver eventually arrived and his swipe card opened the barrier.


20 minutes ... I'd have just left it where it was and walk / run back to reception to get them to sort it!? Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have enough metal in my leg to open the ones at work but it does involve wiggling about on the floor.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 21 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marclev wrote:
Enduro Numpty wrote:
A few years ago the wife and me were checking into a plush hotel in Erfurt, Germany. I asked about the parking for the bike and was given a swipe card and directed to the underground parking at the rear of the hotel. The entry barrier was partway down a very steep ramp. The FJR was loaded up with all the gear and it's a big lump of a thing anyway so I approached the barrier with caution. With front brake on I swiped the card - NOTHING, the barrier wouldn't open! I was stuck there for around 20 minutes unable to turn the bike on the steep and narrow lamp. I couldn't pull it back up backwards due to the slope and the weight of the bike. A car driver eventually arrived and his swipe card opened the barrier.


20 minutes ... I'd have just left it where it was and walk / run back to reception to get them to sort it!? Shocked


What do you mean "just left it where it was", if you have a fully loaded bike, you're on a REALLY steep slope, you can't just put the stand down and walk off, it's going down if you get off and most people don't like dropping their bike for no reason.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 21 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:


What do you mean "just left it where it was", if you have a fully loaded bike, you're on a REALLY steep slope, you can't just put the stand down and walk off, it's going down if you get off and most people don't like dropping their bike for no reason.


Putting it into gear would surely prevent it rolling, irrespective of how steep the slope was and how heavy the bike was loaded?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 21 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
Marclev wrote:


20 minutes ... I'd have just left it where it was and walk / run back to reception to get them to sort it!? Shocked


What do you mean "just left it where it was", if you have a fully loaded bike, you're on a REALLY steep slope, you can't just put the stand down and walk off, it's going down if you get off and most people don't like dropping their bike for no reason.


That was exactly the problem - slope was too steep and bike still wanted to roll off stand while in gear.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 22 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a similar problem when leaving work, it is on a quiet industrial estate, where there is a junction with Traffic lights on to a main road.

The ER6 does not have sufficient weight to trigger senses, normally this isn't an issue as a car or lorry usually comes.

However, I have been known when working late or weekends, to get off the bike, turn it off and push it on the pavement around the junction.
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