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SAM98762008
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Motorcycle noob Reply with quote

Hey guys,
I did CBT once but I failed it because of my poor maneuverability.That was my second time riding a bike.I couldn't turn well and fell several times when I was doing the U turn and figure 8.What should I do to improve myself?
I am also going to do another CBT and an A2 licence.I definitely need more practises.Some people suggest me getting a 125cc to practise alongside with the DAS or taking more lessons on a larger bike.Which option is better and cheaper?
Because I got a car I don't think I will use my bike often other than practise and will sell it straight after I pass my A2
I'm planning to buy a second hand Yamaha YBR-125 with third party insurance and gear in total £1100
Please help!!!
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Motorcycle noob Reply with quote

SAM98762008 wrote:
Hey guys,
I did CBT once but I failed it because of my poor maneuverability.That was my second time riding a bike.I couldn't turn well and fell several times when I was doing the U turn and figure 8.What should I do to improve myself?


Simply put, it's more seat time required. The more you practice the more the controls become second nature, and that's when the exponential improvements come when you can think about things other than how to operate the clutch, for example.

Another good tip is to use the rear brake more in slow manoeuvres. Dragging the rear brake whilst keeping the clutch bite point constant and the revs a bit higher makes the bike a lot more stable - something to practice.



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I am also going to do another CBT and an A2 licence.I definitely need more practises.Some people suggest me getting a 125cc to practise alongside with the DAS or taking more lessons on a larger bike.Which option is better and cheaper?


Depends entirely how much training you need to pass your test. You're best off finding a decent training school and asking them to assess you whilst on CBT and giving you an idea of how many lessons you're likely to need - everyone is different.

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Because I got a car I don't think I will use my bike often other than practise and will sell it straight after I pass my A2
I'm planning to buy a second hand Yamaha YBR-125 with third party insurance and gear in total £1100
Please help!!!


Depending on how much of that £1100 is for insurance, you may find that a bit tight. Buying wisely you're unlikely to lose a lot of money on a 125 as long as you don't drop it / crash it. You've still got the aggro of having to buy and sell though (hate that bit, personally)
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAM98762008 wrote:
failed


Nope, not a test.. more training required.

SAM98762008 wrote:
.I couldn't turn well and fell several times when I was doing the U turn and figure 8.What should I do to improve myself?


U Turn;

S..L..O..W C..O..N..T..R..O..L, comes with time and practice not exactly easy a new rider and improves in time, but yeah.. slow control.

Rear brake, clutch, throttle.

U Turn, ride forward slowly in a straight line and don't let the clutch out all the way, look over your shoulder (in the direction you're turning towards) and turn the handlebars that direction and the bike will follow and steer towards where you're looking.

DO NOT.. touch the front brake, rear brake only, bike will stay upright.

Figure of 8;

Keeping a constant steady smooth speed feathering the throttle and clutch and looking where you want to go, is all about control and balance.

Take nice big wide circles through the middle of the cones.

SAM98762008 wrote:
I am also going to do another CBT


Same training school, have they booked in you at a latter date for free for asked you to pay a small amount for their time?

Please don't say the entire CBT fee again.

SAM98762008 wrote:
CBT + A2 or CBT + 125?


Depends how old you are IMO, 19,20,21 I'd say A2.

22, 23 CBT and 125 then wait until 24 and do A.

I wouldn't consider what option is cheap because you can't put a price on how much training with an instructor can improve your riding generally the CBT and 125 route is the cheapest and by far the easier over a full license course but the major downfall to this is two hours on the road making sure you don't fall off or crash and you're allowed to go out on your own, it's not impossible and we've all done it (maybe) but doesn't really teach you much in the way of forward planning, road signs, road position, hazard avoidance etc etc. Training is invaluable IMO.

For a training school you're the ideal candidate to mold to their liking and riding style to then put you in for your Module 1 and 2 tests and hopefully get you a full license, but there's two downfalls to this in your situation (1) A2 (2) new rider.

(1) A2 - So many stupid laws they're not even worth following, crayloa certificate saying "restricted m8".

(2) If you can't perform U Turns and Figure of 8's to a CBT standard then you're going to have to pay a fair amount to the training school for DAS fee's as they're likely to want to put you in for 3 - 4 days of training, you may even start out on a 125 because of your current riding level and only move up when you're confident and in control enough on and in the bike.

SAM98762008 wrote:
I'm planning to buy a second hand Yamaha YBR-125 with third party insurance and gear in total £1100


£1100 for the YBR, insurance and gear?

Sounds good, to be good to be true. If you have £1100 and as you don't need a bike and is only for a luxury A2 or as above wait until 24 and A.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your only problem is slow speed control, buying a 125 is an expensive way to get over that. Also, you may find that slow speed stuff is actually easier on a bigger bike. It sounds surprising, but the extra weight can actually help.

Something to be aware of is that some 125 policies won't let you switch to a bigger bike, so you could end up losing some or all of the insurance premium and partially earned NCD.

You'll need to do another CBT, so get on with it. If you want to practice beforehand, get a pushbike off of Gumtree or freecycle and go and ride that in circles.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Motorcycle noob Reply with quote

SAM98762008 wrote:
Hey guys,
I did CBT once but I failed it because of my poor maneuverability

I'm planning to buy a second hand Yamaha YBR-125 with third party insurance and gear in total £1100
Please help!!!


So just where do you plan to practice given you have not passed the CBT?

I'm with Rogerborg. Practice on a pushbike.... If you can't manage that then stick to your car Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Motorcycle noob Reply with quote

SAM98762008 wrote:
I'm planning to buy a second hand Yamaha YBR-125 with third party insurance and gear in total £1100
Please help!!!
Dream on.
At £1100 your in the bargain basement end of YBR125 prices, and you need to pay for insurance and gear out of the same £1100? Get onto Comparethemarket and get some insurance quotes, I'm guessing a ballpark £200, add an absolute minimum of £100 for a cheap helmet, jacket and gloves and you've got £800 left for the bike.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm older so now learning on an unrestricted 650, but I never believed people when they said it would be easier than the 125 - Its LOTS easier - especially for the slow stuff, it feels more stable, the gears can cope with a bigger range of speeds, its got a ton of power to get you out of (or into Wink ) trouble, and hell - you just feel all big and like a proper rider on a big bike! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wednesday wrote:
I'm older so now learning on an unrestricted 650, but I never believed people when they said it would be easier than the 125 - Its LOTS easier - especially for the slow stuff, it feels more stable, the gears can cope with a bigger range of speeds, its got a ton of power to get you out of (or into Wink ) trouble, and hell - you just feel all big and like a proper rider on a big bike! Very Happy


^^^This is so so true. ^^^

People on here know I absolutely hate the 125 law. I learnt on 250's and went straight to a big bike. Going from them to riding my daughters moped and then 125 makes me think they are trying to kill off all young riders Laughing

If you can direct access, do it. You will find it much much better not having to mess around with 125's.
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