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MarJay
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Triumph just announced 2016 Bonneville range Reply with quote

And the jewel in the crown has to be the Thruxton R:

https://www.mcnews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Thruxton-R-Diablo-Red-Right-Triumph-1024x556.jpg?9c5952

With a bike looking like that, and the quality issues at Norton, I think the board of directors at Norton all just shat themselves...

Also good news, now you know the hipster brat bike movement is going to die soon. A mainstream manufacturer has released one!

https://www.mcnews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Street-Twin-Aluminium-Silver-Right-Triumph-1024x619.jpg?9c5952

Apparently the Thruxton is going to have a 1200cc engine with 89ft.lb of torque. That's more than my Buell!
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Biking News is just for pedbois axing 4 halp wit there scootayz now?

They look OK, but I wonder what all the electronomical toys will do to the price. Perhaps they reckon there's more to be made going upmarket - as you say, if folk are daft enough to hand over £15K up front for an imaginary Norton, or whatever BMW's surf-Nazi tractor costs, they might pay a fair proportion of that for a Triumph that actually exists.

Or perhaps they reckon that Euro 4, mandatory ABS, OBD, nanny chips, anti tamper and all sorts are going to force everyone's prices up so they might as well be the first to set the new bar height.

Claimed increased torque, claimed increased fuel economy, but no power figures? I wonder what the rev limit will be. Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that red one. But I could not justify the price and the couple of friends I have who have both owned Triumph have had nothing but problems and piss poor customer service from the local dealer.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thruxton R looks lovely, do want Drooling

But I don't think I could ever justify the price when so many fun 2nd hand bikes could be had for the same, or less, money.

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So, Biking News is just for pedbois axing 4 halp wit there scootayz now?


Rolling Eyes You really are the Fun Police at the moment aren't you?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rolling Eyes You really are the Fun Police at the moment aren't you?

Are you being racist against OCD survivors? Shocked

I'm all for canning News, it serves no useful purpose.

On topic, if these bikes are all new, how are Triumph for spares supply? Do they support old models?
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
I like that red one. But I could not justify the price and the couple of friends I have who have both owned Triumph have had nothing but problems and piss poor customer service from the local dealer.


Really? Just to put another point of view, I have had by far the best customer service from Triumph compared with any of the other bikes I have owned.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
how are Triumph for spares supply? Do they support old models?


I've got a 21year old triumph and no matter what part I've needed, a quick shuftie on the triumph website looking at the exploded diagrams of my model and the part (with its relevant part number) is easily located. Couple of clicks of the mouse or a phone call to the local dealer (was Lings in Watton) and the part arrived within 2 business days. For the pricier bits, there's always been a load of second hand parts on the bay for reasonable buy-it-now prices.

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Here's the website. Select your model and away you go.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Informative and re-assuring, thanks. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had any problems with getting spares or decent service from my local Triumph dealer ( Bill Smiths).
The only thing I dislike is the service costs and labour rate.
So I'm also lucky in having a local independent mechanic that has a good reputation ( not used them yet).
Once the bike is out of warranty I be doing my own servicing as usual and only to the dealer/ independent for those bits I can't do.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph spares availability are as good if not better than Japanese equivalents, and are miles better than Aprilia, Ducati and a few other European marques. I'm pretty sure they'll be miles better than Enfield!

Service costs and labour rate do seem extortionate, but compared to Honda solus dealers, they are a bargain.

Customer service for me has been amazing, with Triumph doing repairs free of charge because arguably the damage was caused by a recall part. I've had this twice with different bikes and I didn't pay a penny either time.

In a way I'm regretting buying the Buell now, because a 1200cc torque monster Thruxton R might be quite a lot of fun. The only possible fly in the ointment would be the weight of the thing. If it's light enough it'll be good.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Triumph spares availability [will] be miles better than Enfield!

There are three-point-seven Enfields for every human on earth, so parts are not a problem.

NOW: https://hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/

or

CHEAP: https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTI5WDE2MDA=/z/LlQAAMXQE9hR8kLl/$T2eC16F,!)kE9s4Z-UlsBR8kLkMbZQ~~60_35.JPG

Good to hear that Triumph support their bikes, it's a significant consideration if you're planning to hang on to one.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now all they need to do is fix their crappily slow website. Half the time I'm configuring my new Tiger and get pissed off waiting for it and go look at someone else's bikes instead.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do these ones come with immobilisers as standard.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph Street Twin looks to have 18 inch cast front wheel not like SE with 17 inch, and this looks much better imo. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the major styling points of an "original" bonneville was, to my mind, the exhaust. The bends in the exhaust follow the lines of the frame so when viewed from sideways on, thje exhaust covers the frame tubes.

None of the modern ones have managed to achieve this
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Do these ones come with immobilisers as standard.

VD wrote:
ride-by-wire throttle, ABS, slip-assist clutch for an easier lever pull, traction control that can be switched off, an LED rear light, an immobiliser with a chipped ignition key and a USB charging socket.

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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Do these ones come with immobilisers as standard.

VD wrote:
ride-by-wire throttle, ABS, slip-assist clutch for an easier lever pull, traction control that can be switched off, an LED rear light, an immobiliser with a chipped ignition key and a USB charging socket.



Lockable petrol cap yet or still an optional extra?


Also suspect that these are going to be ££££££££££££££££ - it's almost like they're deliberately pushing the prices of bikes up to stupid money.

I suppose it might all work out in Suzuki's favour in the end, if they don't follow the crowd.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they gunning after Hardly Movinson bu publishing torque but not power figures?

One can convert torque at a known rpm to power by application of maths. If i find some enthusiasm i might fish some powerfigures out of the claimed torque curves that have been published.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
Are they gunning after Hardly Movinson bu publishing torque but not power figures?

One can convert torque at a known rpm to power by application of maths. If i find some enthusiasm i might fish some powerfigures out of the claimed torque curves that have been published.


Based on what's on their site, when it eventually loads for the Thruxton:

120nm @ 4950 = 62.204 kW / 84.57 HP
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed now these are liquid cooled Shocked
This is a huge change Cool
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps Triumph have actually got with the 00's and sort out their immobs.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd hope, but I wouldn't want to bet my excess on it.

talkToTheHat wrote:
i might fish some powerfigures out of the claimed torque curves that have been published.

They're only citing peak torque that I can see.

That radiator is about as attractive as the one on the Harley 750 and makes the cooling fins look rather try-hard.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
So, Biking News is just for pedbois axing 4 halp wit there scootayz now?


I did think on this, and I felt that Biking News and Issues was more geared towards MAG type announcements about gubbermint banning bikes and persecution of motorcyclists rather than new model announcements. After all, general bike chat is chat about bikes, which by it's nature must include new models.

Apparently the prices are £9k for the StreetTwin, 9.5k for the T120 and £10-11k for the Thruxton.

With PCP deals and all of the tarty accessories (the Thruxton R has an option retro half fairing... drool!) I think they'll sell like hotcakes.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Marjay, they will sell like hotcakes. 10 grand is not a huge amount for a new big premium motorcycle anymore.

The Royal Enfield continental LOOKS similar but 21 hp Shocked and £5000 -
https://www.haywards.co.uk/continental-gt-535.html

I know what I would rather buy.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
10 grand is not a huge amount for a new big premium motorcycle anymore.

It makes my eyes water, but it probably will sell. Not to me though, at those prices.

Polarbear wrote:
The Royal Enfield continental LOOKS similar but 21 hp Shocked and £5000

29.1hp. Price is too high though and will go higher when the next Eurodiktats kick in next year.

Yamaha XSR700 ABS @ £6,249 will destroy them both, full force in the inlet, outlet and tailpipe.
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