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Varish
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Safe jacket - really at this price? Reply with quote

I've been searching for some CE certified level 2 jacket recently, and seeing the prices I was about to give up. Is really ALDI going to offer this bargain?
I know this is old, but I may still be able to get something.
https://www.adventure52.com/news/new-kit/new-aldi-motorcycle-gear/

Does anyone used it? I read some reviews, and it seems really really really good.
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The aldi gear is cheap, but it also performs better than expected.

I've had the same pair of Aldi boots for the past year and they are still going strong. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems unreal. The minimum price for a L2 jacket I found is from Scott Leather, and is about 270£
Furygan does something good, but the cheapest are not weatherproof, and all the other cost a kidney. I'll go to Aldi tomorrow probably Smile
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varish wrote:
I'll go to Aldi tomorrow probably Smile


All you'll see is this lot, and perhaps a couple of unsold bits from the previous week. Aldi add to/change their special buys bi-weekly. No chance they'll hold back stuff from March.

They'll release it again before 'riding season' next year, they always do. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 07:01 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:


How fast do you have to be going to slide for 13 seconds? Thinking
Faster than the speed of love.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guarantee that they're just a branding of some other sweatshop togs, the question is which ones and where can they be had at the moment.

Bear in mind that just because other clothes don't make EN claims doesn't mean that they won't work as well. It only means that they haven't been certified, which might just imply that they don't think it's worth paying to do so.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I guarantee that they're just a branding of some other sweatshop togs


OK, go on then, show me the proof. Tell me which factory these are coming out of and/or the re-badged brand they are directly ripping off.

It's an easy claim to make but it doesn't work like that IRL, especially for large multi national retailers like Aldi. They will be made in a factory that produces other motorcycle or safety clothing but they will be made to the spec that Aldi have given.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

i bought some of their kevlar jeans.. given the price they performed well.
no doubt they will be floggin something similar before the bikin season starts again .. probably in march next year. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
Varish wrote:
I'll go to Aldi tomorrow probably Smile


How fast do you have to be going to slide for 13 seconds? Thinking


I'm not really a super fast crazy guy, I just like to be safe Smile
CE level 2 should be 7 second,
they have good protection on burst and perforation.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I guarantee that they're just a branding of some other sweatshop togs

OK, go on then, show me the proof.

Fair catch, guarantee has no monetary value.


Matt B wrote:
They will be made in a factory that produces other motorcycle or safety clothing but they will be made to the spec that Aldi have given.

It's economical for Aldi to specify and buy just one short run of those garments?

Having put in the development work, the manufacturer won't sell the exact same gear to the next retailer that rocks up asking for a CE2 garment?

Seems improbable.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not crashing is the safest jacket.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's economical for Aldi to specify and buy just one short run of those garments?


Over 10,000 stores in 18 countries. Even if these were sold in a percentage of stores (580 in UK alone) then yes.

Rogerborg wrote:
Having put in the development work, the manufacturer won't sell the exact same gear to the next retailer that rocks up asking for a CE2 garment?

Seems improbable.


Seems probable you haven't worked in retail buying or sourcing.

In general (and we are talking about factories used by major retailers) factories produce, they don't design and spec products. The development work is done by the retail buyers, designers and technologists working with their preferred ethically audited factory. You would not trust a product that had been briefed in by another retailer, much less an in-house factory product, and I doubt very much if it would get signed off.

Parts of the garment will be the same as those produced for others - the CE armour, cordura fabric, YKK zips etc. but from experience I doubt they are generic and re-badged. You may well look at examples that factory has produced before but it is rare to take a product without some amount of modification or change. After that most retailers will then protect that design from being produced for somebody else.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're raining on my cynicism man, that's really harshing my Buzz Killington. Sad

In my flopping, apathetic defence, we did in years past spot that some of the Lidl-lids were rebadged models. Not that there's anything wrong with that, they were 3* SHARP rated.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the helmet thing with Lidl, and it shows that sometimes it does happen. I would imagine that the small number of factories tooled up to produce helmets, or the high cost of briefing in a new product was a factor in that.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
sometimes it does happen.


I have an old leather jacket branded "Australian bikers gear" (Sturgis jacket). At Calne this year I saw the identical jacket being punted out at both the stalls there selling leathers with different labels sewed in to it (and for considerably more than I paid for it). Same story with a Brando style Cordura jacket I own

Not saying Aldi do it but I would bet there are plenty of Chinese and Pakistani workshops punting out bike gear to anyone that will buy it with the only option that can be specified being the branding on the label.

As an example here is a jacket under 2 differing brands

https://www.bikersgearuk.com/sturgis-ladies-touring-leather-jacket

https://classicbikerleather.com/collections/womens-motorcycle-jackets/products/womens-brown-soft-leather-touring-stylish-motorcycle-jacket-with-vents (3rd picture on this link is even the exact same image as used on the 1st link)

and here it is wholesale

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Women-s-Leather-Touring-Motorcycle-Jacket_144428183.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.354.Urftyx

If you have the time/high boredom threshold/inclination you can find a lot of the cheaper stuff on eBay for wholesale on Alibaba, then using the Alibaba image find the same item being sold at multiple price points under various guises.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:

Not saying Aldi do it but I would bet there are plenty of Chinese and Pakistani workshops punting out bike gear to anyone that will buy it with the only option that can be specified being the branding on the label.


ie. Proto ,Westgate Rd..
i heard him on the phone ordering such like..
he has been done by trading standards / magistrates for selling gear thats not what it purports to be..
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
the same item being sold at multiple price points under various guises.


That goes on everywhere - small retailers, web outlets, market traders, wholesalers, direct to customer, cash & carry, the list is practically endless.

However, the question was regarding Aldi gear and for the reasons I gave it would be a pretty certain bet that these are not re-badged generics. People who want 50 pieces of a certain item take generics of the like found on Alibaba and have them reprocessed with their own labels. Buying offices serving 10,000+ stores have the capacity to have their own garments made to their spec.

That's why I wouldn't have a problem buying Aldi bike gear.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Safe jacket - really at this price? Reply with quote

Varish wrote:
I've been searching for some CE certified level 2 jacket recently, and seeing the prices I was about to give up. Is really ALDI going to offer this bargain?
I know this is old, but I may still be able to get something.
https://www.adventure52.com/news/new-kit/new-aldi-motorcycle-gear/

Does anyone used it? I read some reviews, and it seems really really really good.


I bought one and it has served me well and only in the most terrible of downpours has it let in water, then it was not a lot.
1000% better than the J&S jacket I got to replace it.
All the armour was removable.
I found the armour to be a bit to stiff for my own liking, but that`s a personal thing.
As for abrasion/crash protection? I cant comment as I never had a tumble when wearing it, thank God Praying Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varish, if you subscribe to the Aldi newsletter https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/about-aldi/useful-information/newsletter/ they will email you when they next have a 'Motorcycling Specialbuy' https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/our-specialbuy-events/motorcycling/
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
The aldi gear is cheap, but it also performs better than expected.

I've had the same pair of Aldi boots for the past year and they are still going strong. Thumbs Up


+2 for Aldi boots.

Haven't tried any of their other stuff. But got 2 pair of their boots and only experienced 1 day with 1 wet foot riding it all conditions. Very comfortable, although the velcro bit at the side comes away too easily due to the design.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
That's why I wouldn't have a problem buying Aldi bike gear.

Me neither, I'm just wondering if someone else is currently selling that gear. "Australian" Bikers Gear do seem to have form for getting their label on other folks' designs.

Bear in mind that if they're Chinese made, that's the nation which has repeatedly sold poisonous baby milk just to increase profits a little, so I wouldn't put too much stock on any promises not to keep churning them out.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Matt B wrote:
That's why I wouldn't have a problem buying Aldi bike gear.

Me neither, I'm just wondering if someone else is currently selling that gear. "Australian" Bikers Gear do seem to have form for getting their label on other folks' designs.

Bear in mind that if they're Chinese made, that's the nation which has repeatedly sold poisonous baby milk just to increase profits a little, so I wouldn't put too much stock on any promises not to keep churning them out.


Who doesn't buy things from China, or somewhere in the East? Even Dainese or Spidi are surely doing something like that, it's too expensive to do them here..

Undinist wrote:

Varish, if you subscribe to the Aldi newsletter https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/about-aldi/useful-information/newsletter/ they will email you when they next have a 'Motorcycling Specialbuy' https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/our-specialbuy-events/motorcycling/


Thanks, that helps! Smile
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price does not = quality.

Just spent the most I have ever spent on a jacket. £160 on a Spada Staffy.

Its shit. Worst jacket ever. Its faded within 3 weeks of use, there's uncut stitching all over, Ghostbikes told me to cut all the threaded ends off and it would be fine. Bollocks to that. I have never had a piece of clothing with unfinished stitching all over

I'll go back to £50 jackets. They at least lasted a few years before needing replacing.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Safe jacket - really at this price? Reply with quote

Varish wrote:

Does anyone used it? I read some reviews, and it seems really really really good.


I went to have a look at them. They felt quite heavy and reasonably
well put together. I didn't buy one because they don't have a removable
thermal liner and there are no zips (waterproof or otherwise) on the
main pockets.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago I read an article on a company that wanted some item making, they went to the far east (cant remember where) paid all the design costs, machine set up costs and ordered 10,000 items.

Not long after they got a bill for 20,000 items, they wouldn't pay and just took the original 10,000 they wanted, they found out later the other 10,000 were sold off a lot cheaper and ended up on the market at much the same price they had paid for theirs, which hit their profit margin very hard.

This was commonplace a few years ago, perhaps it still is. Once your set up costs are paid you can make many more items much cheaper.

Perhaps this is how Aldi get their items, I know that I bought a fishing bag from there, great product for £10, lasted a good few years.
And identical to my mates 'name' brand bag that he paid £30 for.
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