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PostPosted: 12:02 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Alternatives to ground anchor? Reply with quote

I work weekends away from home, too far to commute especially in winter. So I found a place to stay at a reasonable price.
The problem is that the landlady does not want a ground anchor installed in her driveway.
The place is a quiet small countrisideish area with no railway access. And the house is at the end of a culdesac. But I still fear to leave the bike there just chained to itself and maybe a alarm disc lock.
The bike will be a hornet so it is not even that heavy to pick.
Do you have any ideas?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.newoldcar.co.uk/images/Featured_Cars/Ford/Fiesta/244_1992_Ford_Fiesta_1.4_Ghia/1992%20ford%20fiesta%201.4%20ghia%203.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had no safe and dry place to leave the bike in over the winter break, I'd sell it. Thumbs Up

Are you sure you can't get any other place with more safety, a garage perhaps? Just ask all your mates and relatives, you won't be riding it anyway, so even a bit far place would be better than this. Also, don't use an alarm that makes a lot of noise if you can't be there in no time to turn it off, when neighbor's cat, for instance, starts it at night. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiesta.jpg?

Is that to drive or to chain the bike to? Razz
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

large bucket/flower pot filled with a mix of brick/stone/concrete with a ground anchor in? that way its not a permanent thing but would be too heavy to feasibly move..

personally, i'd look for somewhere that will allow gound anchor/secure garage
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="sharpe2002"]large bucket/flower pot filled with a mix of brick/stone/concrete with a ground anchor in[quote]

I've heard this being suggested before and always thought that if the pikey is willing and able to arrange for a bike to be lifted then a few kilos of concrete won't really be that much of an issue. They'll just bring one of their offspring along to carry the concrete to the van.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breeze block perhaps? Or what about a screw in ground anchor? https://www.groundbolt.co.uk/Motorcycles.html I've no experience of these and they'll only deter callow youths and chancers, not professional thieves, but better than nothing.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
I've heard this being suggested before and always thought that if the pikey is willing and able to arrange for a bike to be lifted then a few kilos of concrete won't really be that much of an issue. They'll just bring one of their offspring along to carry the concrete to the van.

A few kilos? Approximately 200kg of concrete should be enough of an issue to mean there are better bikes to steal. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fill the Fiesta with concrete. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people worked the same as dogs, you could just piss on it. If your piss is strong enough, other male humans wouldn't go near that + it'd attract bitches. Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to ground anchor? Reply with quote

daifuco wrote:
The problem is that the landlady does not want a ground anchor installed in her driveway.

Ah go on, go on, go on. She won't even know it's there.

https://www.beginnerbiker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/MotorcycleSecurity-Yanchor-300x224.jpg


Failing that.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Vu-Ig8pV2s8/TX9mmCXHwwI/AAAAAAAAAWA/vUGMVkuMfBg/s1600/security+003+crop.jpg

And no, I wouldn't leave a bike outside unanchored.

Told your insurance that it'll be stored there?
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to ground anchor? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Uses ground anchor to secure bike Thumbs Up

Then used an Oxford chain with aforementioned ground anchor. Sad
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I had done something while she was in holidays!!!

By the way chaining the bike to her car is actually possible, but where in the car can I pass the chain trough?. I was thinking of a wheel with secure nuts, but that is adding a bit too much complexity.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

daifuco wrote:
I wish I had done something while she was in holidays!!!

By the way chaining the bike to her car is actually possible, but where in the car can I pass the chain trough?. I was thinking of a wheel with secure nuts, but that is adding a bit too much complexity.


towing eye on the rear ? fronts tend to be screw in now days.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big fuck off dogs..works for me Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:25 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I am considering to get a 50L garden pot and fill it up with concrete apparently concrete weigths 2.4 kg per litre, that is 120Kg (nearly 19 stones)

I think it is a nice gift to leave the lanlady once move away!.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 16 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big F off dog one, big F off van two.

What's the deal with Oxford chains I know they get the bad rap are they really that bad imparted to others? Where do you buy other types from.

Why not use high grade stainless that gets harder the more it's worked.. Really I've only ever seen Oxford chains.. I not too fussed, if they won't it they probably won't bother with the van, dog and two locked cattle gates and the side by side long Barrel (used for vermin control) they'll probably just ask me for the keys.. But what with Oxford chains they seem not much between the brands apart from the name?
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 17 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaya75 wrote:
What's the deal with Oxford chains


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PostPosted: 13:14 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. I had to bump the thread as I am considering an alternative!

What about chaining the bike to a door column?
THe problem is that it is too far, there is a garden patch with bushes... but what if:
I loop two short chains on both ends (the door column and the bike) and I use a long 2M chain, unlooped, to join them together? Is that safe enough acourding to BCF?

First I thought that laying a single chain on the ground wont be a good idea, but, it would lay on a garden patch trough heavy bushes. Keep in mind that this will just be used over night two nights a week. In the end of a cul the sac.
The rest of the time the bike will be secured at work or at home.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

daifuco wrote:
Hi. I had to bump the thread as I am considering an alternative!

What about chaining the bike to a door column?
THe problem is that it is too far, there is a garden patch with bushes... but what if:
I loop two short chains on both ends (the door column and the bike) and I use a long 2M chain, unlooped, to join them together? Is that safe enough acourding to BCF?

First I thought that laying a single chain on the ground wont be a good idea, but, it would lay on a garden patch trough heavy bushes. Keep in mind that this will just be used over night two nights a week. In the end of a cul the sac.
The rest of the time the bike will be secured at work or at home.



three locks all on the ground so easy to smash with a hammer

why not just one longer chain round column and round bike with a padlock on the bike end
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Or what about a screw in ground anchor? https://www.groundbolt.co.uk/Motorcycles.html I've no experience of these and they'll only deter callow youths and chancers, not professional thieves, but better than nothing.


I had one of these when I rented as I wasn't allowed to drill into the driveway. If you attach it to a good chain then it cannot be removed without being dugout, which for all but the most determined thieves will likely be too much effort. If the option was this kind of anchor or nothing then I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
why not just one longer chain round column and round bike with a padlock on the bike end

Yup, or loop round the column, padlock (held off ground if at all possible) or even get it welded together to 4 thou, then a single run to the bike, loop it through and padlock it off.

Anchor chain can be eBayed by the metre in any thickness and length you want.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

High tensile gr.70 lifting chain (what they use on slings and such) can be bought in any length. 13mm is usually the min recommended though 10mm might be enough to deter. You need an angle grinder to cut through it. I use an Oxford cycle anchor attached to the wall and run 5m chain to it, off the ground.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
why not just one longer chain round column and round bike with a padlock on the bike end

Yup, or loop round the column, padlock (held off ground if at all possible) or even get it welded together to 4 thou, then a single run to the bike, loop it through and padlock it off.

Anchor chain can be eBayed by the metre in any thickness and length you want.


+1 for anchor chain. And if you can have an actual anchor at the end it will look really impressive, hope the landlord lady will not mind that on the driveway Laughing

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