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PostPosted: 00:33 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: So today I did have an argument with my neighbour Reply with quote

In my dressing gown and slippers (Arthur Dent style) about parking on the street of all things, and it was even the wifes car and her parking.

Favourite bits:
Me to woman: "Good morning, why are you having a go at my wife about parking in the street?"
Woman: "I wasn't"
Me: "Yes you were, you told her you would have her fined and her car towed away".
Woman "Well my husbands a policeman and he knows you can't park there" Oh really....
Man arrives in his dressing gown "I was really peed off when I finished my taxi shift at 12 last night and saw somebody had parked there"
Me think : Taxi shift? Policeman? Seems to be a bit of confusion...
Man pointing at the road: "That's MY driveway"
Man: "If I had wanted to empty my garage in the middle of the night I could have had that car towed away. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST YOU?!"

So is it a garage? Well, the door isn't big enough for a car, and neither is the interior - it's a triangle shaped storage room on the end of a street of terraced houses.

More importantly Portsmouth City Council agree with me both online:

"We only act on dropped kerbs leading to residential garages and driveways at the property owner's request. The owner will need to prove that the dropped kerb is used for vehicle access. This means that no enforcement action is taken if a dropped kerb is no longer used - for example, where an extension has replaced a garage or driveway."

And in real life - I knew the previous owner who happily admitted that the dropped kerb was meaningless and anyone could park there. He'd made inquiries with the city parking enforcement and they told him that they would not enforce that dropped kerb. They even commented that it did not meet their planning criteria for a dropped kerb and didn't see why it had been installed (admittedly this is hearsay).

So I've printed out the Council website page and will drop round to the chap tomorrow when I apologise for arguing with him in the street, after all it's not very constructive..... oh and here's something I found on the council parking enforcement page just to clear up our misunderstanding. Cheerio. Very Happy

Am I being an awkward neighbour? I don't think so. We don't normally park there, but it is just part of the road in a busy city that anyone can park on. Parking there doesn't deny him access to his building. If it did, I'd have no problem in moving / wouldn't park there (neither would the wife). The only inconvenience caused to him is that he wants his own driveway, but lives in a crowded city and doesn't have one.
I've been here fifteen years and never had an argument about parking before. It seems ridiculous.
I've decided to try and keep it jolly and civil, and won't be trying to antagonise him by buying a £300 banger and permanently installing it there, but equally I'm not impressed by his false threats of financial penalty and confiscation of my wifes car. All in all and interesting start to the day.

In short, he's claiming his own private parking space on the public road.
And I think he's a PCSO.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get his PCSO number,write a letter quoting it to the elected top police bod in your area asking if what he says is right.
Show the tosser after posting it and film his reaction on your phone and post it here. Hopefully another little Hitler with a uniform fetish will bite the dust.

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PostPosted: 08:22 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
I am trying to keep it neighbourly, even if he is a twat. He was overflowing with smugness and total bullshit about his rights and to control the parking in that one spot and telling me that I need to read up on my highway code. I can imagine that's exactly what he's like as a PCSO. Full of shit.
I'm going to stick with the jolly approach of here's the information that proves you wrong, don't bother me again you insignificant twerp.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plastic? I would expect it to escalate, and quickly.

I would strongly suggest that you record any conversation (covertly is just fine). Contact your council neighbourhood mediation squad, and if he repeats the lies about the situation, get your retaliation in first with a complaint to the local Plodforce. Ask him (on record) if he's spouting his shite as a neighbour or as a "P"CS"O":

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/misconduct_in_public_office/#a010

If he doesn't back down and you don't want to become his bitch, I'd feel obliged to call his bluff, park there and invite him to get your car towed, right now. Record the proceedings.

CCTV camera (real or fake) should also go up now.

Sounds extreme, but do consider what sort of a person you're dealing with and the size of the chip that he'll be shouldering.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:11 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: So today I did have an argument with my neighbour Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
buying a £300 banger and permanently installing it there


Do this + what roger says

Why be nice they sound like the kind of cunts who will just take it as weakness.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So her husband isn't a policeman at all, he's a a taxi driver with a pastime that involves being on a power trip while the local drunks think he's some kind of fucking mug.

If he's dick swinging about being 5-0 now, I expect his full time counterparts will also think he's an A-grade helmet, so I wouldn't worry about any hassle on that side - He's not going to get his "mates" on you. You know, the ones with the real authority.

I'd be getting what I could from the council about the specific drop curb, if possible. Then collating it with any recordings and forward it on to his boss. The local police commissioner.

If you can convince him amicably, of course.

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PostPosted: 09:41 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sort of petson who applies to be a PCSO is exactly the type of person who should then be automatically excluded from becoming a PCSO.
Same thing applies to Politicians, local councillors and special constables.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Plastic? I would expect it to escalate, and quickly.

I would strongly suggest that you record any conversation (covertly is just fine). Contact your council neighbourhood mediation squad, and if he repeats the lies about the situation, get your retaliation in first with a complaint to the local Plodforce. Ask him (on record) if he's spouting his shite as a neighbour or as a "P"CS"O":

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/misconduct_in_public_office/#a010

If he doesn't back down and you don't want to become his bitch, I'd feel obliged to call his bluff, park there and invite him to get your car towed, right now. Record the proceedings.

CCTV camera (real or fake) should also go up now.

Sounds extreme, but do consider what sort of a person you're dealing with and the size of the chip that he'll be shouldering.


FFS, talk about going overboard. Just ignore him, he's a taxi driver, the police won't care about parking problems, councils enforce parking, not police.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
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I am trying to keep it neighbourly, even if he is a twat. He was overflowing with smugness and total bullshit about his rights and to control the parking in that one spot and telling me that I need to read up on my highway code. I can imagine that's exactly what he's like as a PCSO. Full of shit.
I'm going to stick with the jolly approach of here's the information that proves you wrong, don't bother me again you insignificant twerp.


This ^^^^^

You are clearly an intelligent and reasonable guy, also, you have the moral and factual high ground. You don't really need to do anything other than furnish him with the facts, then go home and relax in your dressing gown and slippers (hope they're tartan).

He sounds a bit deluded and very hen-pecked. He was obviously being wound up by his wife.

There's no point in you personalising this any further. If he was marching up and down the street announcing that he was Napoleon, you'd ignore him, not furnish him with evidence to prove he wasn't the French military and political leader who rose to prominence during the French Revolution and led several successful campaigns during the Revolutionary Wars. Would you?

Neighbour disputes are horrible and dispiriting. I hope this doesn't escalate.

However if it does BCF is the right place to ask for advice which usually advises extreme violence, deviance and T&G.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute power corrupts and power corrupts absolutely.

Unless you're a PCSO and you don't have any in the first place.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
the police won't care about parking problems, councils enforce parking, not police.

Given the facts at hand, I fully expect it to escalate rapidly beyond the parking issue.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be a "special".

Then you're royally fucked. Take what Roger said about plastics and knock it up a notch.

Fire off an angry letter to the local paper, local papers thrive on angry letters about parking disputes.

I personally wouldn't mention it again and continue to park where the hell you like. Leave it to them to get their knickers in a twist.

I would be tempted to appologise for standing discussing it in the street if you see them in passing and see if they also appologise.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please note for clarification that I'm not advocating that you actively seek out any further interaction with the Plastic/Special, just that you be prepared for a full on eppy tantrum if you dare to park in "his" space again or question his veracity.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

so you're telling me that he's a taxi driver that knows about the existence of a highway code?

London cabbies haven't even heard of this mysterious guide book.

Apologize for arguing with him, then just ignore him from that point on.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just dont call him plastic https://www.getbucks.co.uk/news/local-news/dont-call-us-plastic-police-5721931
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw the attached in this months Viz magazine.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore him assuming your car is 100% legit because he might well try reporting it as an abandoned car which will mean you get plod / people from the council knocking on your door.

The conversations you get to have with plod and people from the council are lulz as long as you know you've not done anything wrong. They're used to people being possessive about the bit of road outside their house, all you have to do is have done nothing wrong. Wink

It's unfortunate that your arsey neighbour isn't actually a PCSO as if he was then you could have some epic lulz by contacting your neighbour police team to discuss your concerns about an your aggressive angry neighbour who has been threatening you. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Given the facts at hand, I fully expect it to escalate rapidly beyond the parking issue.


Spot on.

So went out to my car which is not parked on "his spot" to get something out of the boot, and on the way back saw him outside his house.
Good opportunity to make nice and move on. Lasted all of 10 seconds.
Me: Hiya, just wanted to apologise for arguing in the street, not very neighbourly and all that, but I did look up the parking on Portsmouth website and printed out the bit about dropped kerbs (had it in my hand and was unfolding it).
Him: I don't care what you've looked up I know what happened, you tried to force your way into the house, you stepped over the threshold and threatened my girlfriend.
Me: No I didn't, I said good morning and stepped back to point to the space on the road.
Him: My girlfriend knows that's what happened I'll get her out here.
Me: You're just making stuff up.
Woman comes to the door: You were very aggressive.
Me: No I wasn't, I said good morning and asked why you were threatening to have my wifes car fined and towed away.
Woman: You didn't say good morning.
Me: Yes I did.
Man: She was terrified, she was shaking like a leaf after you left. You were intimidating her.
Me: No I wasn't, you were trying to intimidate me by threatening to have my wifes car towed.
Woman would not confirm that I tried to enter the house, and looked a bit uncomfortable.
They then made up a story of how they didn't threaten fines or towing.
I called them both liars, and they carried on the bullshit.

It carries on for a few minutes, he threatens to smash my face in if I ever talk to her again (I just stared at him and said "Oh right"). He threatens to get a S59 order against me. I ask him to phone the police and make the complaint, I'll wait here. He changes tack to agreeing to share the space, all I have to do is ask him each time, it'll never be a problem, but I'm being un-neighbourly by threatening him.
The entire time he was trying to get in my face and jabbing his finger towards my chest. He was careful never to actually touch me, but at one point he did try and move himself in such a position to corner me by the entrance to his house frontage, I stepped to the side and moved back. I walked away from him twice and he kept following me and shouting at me.
He really wanted a fight and most of all to intimidate me. I wasn't intimidated as he's smaller than me and I used to do a fair bit of martial arts and probably remember enough to block a punch and get out of a situation. I also know not to start a fight as you never know what you're getting into.

Neither my wife nor I park there regularly, if ever, probably the first time since they've moved in to the rental three years ago that one of our cars has been there overnight.

It doesn't bother me what he says or thinks are his rights, I just won't bend over to bullying bullshit. Rog is absolutely spot on though, I should have recorded the conversations from the start.
If this does escalate, I have no doubt he will make up whatever story suits his agenda. Lying cunts, both of them.

In the end after I walked away he was leaning over my front gate still shouting abuse at me, and by this stage my wife as well, for being bad neighbours.


So........ what cctv should I get?
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, the woman said again that he's a policeman, but he wouldn't say it.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Ignore him assuming your car is 100% legit

That's my current plan, and both cars are 100% legal.

Ste wrote:
It's unfortunate that your arsey neighbour isn't actually a PCSO

No definite evidence either way, although the wife has seen PCSO's coming and going from his house a few times, and his girlfriend has said "he is the police", "my husband is a policeman". He did not say it, and ignored it on each occasion.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
FFS, talk about going overboard.

Do go on.

Well, either never park there again, or do it ostentatiously tomorrow on record and ideally with independent witnesses.

Also don't throw acid in his face.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Just ignore him.


This is the crucial part of what I wrote earlier. OP has made the mistake of trying to reason with an unreasonable person when it was clear from the first encounter that this would not be on the cards.

Just ignore him and get on with your life.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should like to retract my earlier advice and instead advise multiple pizza deliveries.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I should like to retract my earlier advice and instead advise multiple pizza deliveries.


i would recommend that the pizzas are ordered from an address other than your own.After all, it's a copper and can trace where the call was made...
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