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Which first bike?
KTM RC390
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Suzuki GSX 1250FA
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 12 Nov 2015    Post subject: Suzuki GSX 1250FA v's KTM RC 390 Reply with quote

So of the 7 bikes, including the bikes at the motorcycle training centre. Incomparable as they seem I've come down to the Suzuki GSX 1250FA & the KTM RC 390 as my first bike.

Here are my pros & cons
RC390
Pros
- Cheaper
- Nearest dealership
- Low weight
- Looks great
- small/agile
Cons
- More aggressive riding position
- Engine less forgiving
- Luggage? What luggage?

GSX1250
Pros
- Low RPM torque
- Luggage, the problem isn't taking the kitchen sink it's finding at the other end!
- better weather protection
- It's a Japanese bike
Cons
- Breathless at the top end
- Occasionally feels very heavy
- not exactly the most manoeuvrable
- doesn't 'do' tight filtering

As I'm mostly doing to be riding on more open A roads with very little tight backroad & town riding I'm heading towards the Suzuki but what do other people think?
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 12 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like comparing an apple to an angle grinder. Two things that do completely different jobs.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 12 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know but they both ticked all the right boxes for me Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 12 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: Suzuki GSX 1250FA v's KTM RC 390 Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
what do other people think?

That this isn't a serious question, you've already decided, and want your choice validated.

However, I also think that if you want a big, roomy, effortless mile muncher with loads of luggage then the Suzuki costs a lot less than litre+ alternatives with fancier badges.

I'd haggle hard on it though, and be prepared to walk away or call around and buy at whichever dealer is most desperate to shift stock.

Also, Street Triple.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 12 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both are perfectly adequate for doing what I see as the majority of my motorbike miles - commuting & disappearing off to friends houses 15-30mile away. It's if I replace cycling in & around town with the RC 390 or get the Suzuki and use that instead of my car for weekend trips.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past I've found that out on the open road, two very different bikes might both be suitable. It's the other things that make a difference to how easy the bike is to live with.

RC390 - do you want to carry your lunch/beer around all the time in a rucksack? In the rain? How easy is it to service, or how expensive for a garage to do it?

The GSX - much heavier and probably wider. Where are you parking and storing it? Will you want to paddle the thing around every time you need to go to the Co-op? And again servicing and maintenance - do you have the space to do it, and how easy is it given the facilities you have.

If none of the above bothers you, then I personally prefer the GSX even though it would be slight overkill for my uses.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spend less on the bike so that you can buy one of each. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spend less on the bike so that you can buy one of each. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 390 is supposedly a good little lightweight bike, the bandit 1250 is not a good bike compared to its peers, the only thing going for it is price point. IMO this is not a good reason to choose a bike.

I'd rather have something like a VFR800, Sprint GT, Tiger Sport, Tracer etc.


I haven't looked but I'm pretty sure all those bikes are lighter and more powerful. The brakes, suspension and finish will be much better too.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
the bandit 1250 is not a good bike compared to its peers

Depends how you define "good" and "peers". Compare it against other bikes at that price, or for that purpose.

Yes, the Suzuki is £8K and the MT-09 Tracer starts at £8150, but the real (eBay) price on the Suzuki is £7400, and that's unregistered. There's an unregistered 0 mile 2014 model up for £6200 without luggage.

£7400 gets you 3 piece luggage, ABS, hydraulic clutch, span adjustable levers, height adjustable seat, centre stand and 108 (new) / 80 (old) torques peaking at just 3700 rpm. Peak power is low, but enough to lose your license.

It's not new technology, it won't win Top Trumps, but it's tried and tested and has no surprises.

The 257kg wet weight (with the luggage) is a complete red flag for me, but if were a big chap looking to tour on a tight budget I wouldn't rule it out.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
chris-red wrote:
the bandit 1250 is not a good bike compared to its peers

Depends how you define "good" and "peers". Compare it against other bikes at that price, or for that purpose.

Yes, the Suzuki is £8K and the MT-09 Tracer starts at £8150, but the real (eBay) price on the Suzuki is £7400, and that's unregistered. There's an unregistered 0 mile 2014 model up for £6200 without luggage.

£7400 gets you 3 piece luggage, ABS, hydraulic clutch, span adjustable levers, height adjustable seat, centre stand and 108 (new) / 80 (old) torques peaking at just 3700 rpm. Peak power is low, but enough to lose your license.

It's not new technology, it won't win Top Trumps, but it's tried and tested and has no surprises.

The 257kg wet weight (with the luggage) is a complete red flag for me, but if were a big chap looking to tour on a tight budget I wouldn't rule it out.


I've ridden one for quite a while as a hire bike, they aren't bad bikes, and the weight isn't noticeable at anything above walking pace, it's just everything else I've ridden in that class is noticeably better.

I'd rather spend 6K on a nearly new version of one of the others, a couple of years down the line it'll be in better shape than the rot box. The ONLY reason to get one is because you MUST have a new bike for some reason and can't afford the others.

When I think about why I would buy various bikes, the reason is always a feature of the bike, not simply because it is cheap.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
Both are perfectly adequate for doing what I see as the majority of my motorbike miles - commuting & disappearing off to friends houses 15-30mile away. It's if I replace cycling in & around town with the RC 390 or get the Suzuki and use that instead of my car for weekend trips.


^ Sounds a bit strange to me.
So currently you cycle for your commute, and yet you are thinking of replacing a pushbike with an RC390 for the same purpose? What makes it such a good bike for a commute that you can do on a pushbike (so I'm surmising here that it's not a long commute, or on very busy fast roads, or with a lot of steep hills?)

Couldn't a little basic roadster or lightweight or scooter do the jobs as well or better than your pushbike?

Secondly you said replace your car with a GSX1250F for weekend trips? This sounds more ridiculous than the first scenario IMO. If you have a perfectly useful, reliable and practical car, and have been using it for X amount of time to cart stuff around at weekends or carry shopping etc in, then boy are you going to miss it!
And if you think a 1250cc bike with lots of luggage and carrying capacity can replace the usefulness of a car for such situations, I think you'd realise this is a mistake?

Instead of coming out and saying 'I want to buy a bike because fun and just want one so I will', your trying to make valid reasons as to why you need one, and what jobs it could do for you better than your existing personal transport devices.

It's almost like saying I want a new cordless drill or a new Hi-Fi and trying to justify it with logical reasons and uses that it would be worth it's value in gold for. Sure a bike can be a useful tool or a form of congestion busting hustle me to work faster transport, but nearly always there's no big list of practical uses and reasons why you need one, or need a particular type either.

Oh and I agree with Chris, in that price alone does not make for a good purchase decision for a new or used bike, but especially when your looking at getting 8grand deep into it. For me I'd expect a awful fucking lot of new motorcycle to even consider throwing down 8K.

There's a possible price only argument for a dirt cheap Ching chong utility bike, that's probably £££'s not more, in that you could in some situations take a gamble on it, and consider it a disposable item, but one that might last some time until you can get something better? But this approach is not a good one, when you going into it for Suzuki 1250 kind of cash.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:
In the past I've found that out on the open road, two very different bikes might both be suitable. It's the other things that make a difference to how easy the bike is to live with.

RC390 - do you want to carry your lunch/beer around all the time in a rucksack? In the rain? How easy is it to service, or how expensive for a garage to do it?

The GSX - much heavier and probably wider. Where are you parking and storing it? Will you want to paddle the thing around every time you need to go to the Co-op? And again servicing and maintenance - do you have the space to do it, and how easy is it given the facilities you have.

If none of the above bothers you, then I personally prefer the GSX even though it would be slight overkill for my uses.


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PostPosted: 17:34 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've ridden both - right?
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
You've ridden both - right?

Yeah. Two very different bikes that i enjoyed riding.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

think i would be looking at a 600cc middle weight .. not a race rep. but the upright , street variety with a small fairing or naked ..
some think like a fazer or hornet.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
think i would be looking at a 600cc middle weight .. not a race rep. but the upright , street variety with a small fairing or naked ..
some think like a fazer or hornet.

You mean things like the ER-6n (2011) & XJ6 Diversion (2014)? They were the bikes I learnt to ride on & I'd take the GSX over those in a heart beat.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
Copycat73 wrote:
think i would be looking at a 600cc middle weight .. not a race rep. but the upright , street variety with a small fairing or naked ..
some think like a fazer or hornet.

You mean things like the ER-6n (2011) & XJ6 Diversion (2014)? They were the bikes I learnt to ride on & I'd take the GSX over those in a heart beat.


Fazers and Hornets are a fair bit quicker and better than an ER6 or XJ6. And probably quicker than a GSXF when you're on it too.

It does still sound like you have no idea what you want from your new bike though.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fazers and Hornets are a fair bit quicker and better than an ER6 or XJ6.

When restricted to 35kW?
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Slacker24seven wrote:
Fazers and Hornets are a fair bit quicker and better than an ER6 or XJ6.

When restricted to 35kW?


Made the mistake of assuming that as we were talking about the Gsxf1250 that it would be a DAS bike.

Oops. As you were.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Made the mistake of assuming that as we were talking about the Gsxf1250 that it would be a DAS bike.

I'm taking about DAS bikes...
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, I'm in the wrong thread. Embarassed

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PostPosted: 22:05 - 15 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
Slacker24seven wrote:
Made the mistake of assuming that as we were talking about the Gsxf1250 that it would be a DAS bike.

I'm taking about DAS bikes...


I still think youre comparing apples and oranges. Test ride some more stuff to figure out what style suits you. Starters for 10:

Street Triple
FZ6/8/1
CBR600F
VFR800
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 16 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Street Triple.

All the hooligan fun but with the breakdowns and warranty work that the KTM will need.
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PostPosted: 03:51 - 18 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If luggage has crosed your mind (as you mention as a bonus for the fat bandit) then you have to try the vfr. Admittedly I've only rode a pre-vtech one, but it was an eye-opener. Not punch you in the chest crazy, and quite smooth at manoeuvring/filtering speeds and low revs, but entirely capable of launching you at the horizon at silly speed with a full set of givi boxes on the back. Headlights were pretty good too.

Hard luggage is indispensable if you plan on using the bike for more than joyrides.

You can filter on pretty much anything so long as you remember how wide it is. My long sufferieng 535 works well enough for such so long as I dont forget I put the wide panniers on it.
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